Hi All!
I recently acquired this AE wall phone. It was a display piece in somebody's kitchen for years so when I got it it had a nice sticky film of kitchen grease all over it, and a rattle inside.
As the dial didn't work I was hopeful that that was the reason.
Cleaned it off and opened it up and sure enough the dial spring was rattling around the housing. Some more cleaning revealed the "Property of Philippine Long Distance Telephone CO. Manila" decal, also "PLD" scratched into the inside of the housing.
Long story short, I got the dial back together and in "working" order and hooked it up for a test. Tx and Rx just fine rings fine but can't break dial tone with the dial.
Almost all connections are soldered with the exception of the dial, handset, line and the line ring/ground ring spade.
Did i mess up the dial?
Does it have something to do with being a "long distance" phone?
The diagram below matches the wiring and hopefully some other pics will attach.
Thanks for your opinions,
Andy
Andy ,
WELCOME to the CRPF ! Post a pic of the back of your dial so we can see what you have . stub
Okay, let's try this from the iPhone...
Andy ,
Does your dial open and close the pluse contacts ( pencil in pic) when dial is returning ?
Your dial is a AE 51 with single contacts and mine is a AE 51 A with bifurcated contacts (two contacts) . They still work the same. stub
(Left click on pics to enlarge)
Yes, I can even hear the pulses in the earpiece.
I am wondering if all the years of kitchen grease have made a continuity path.
Maybe disassemble the contacts, clean and degrease and try again?
Andy,
Try removing the dial pulse link , wire on yours , and put paper between the contacts and see if dial tone is gone. BTW what kind of phone service do you have ? stub
John,
Thank you Sir for the highlight . stub
You need to move your inpulse cam to match the posted dial .Your ringer clapper rod appears to be missing.
I have POTS service here and other rotaries with bells working.
I will likely be offline for 48 hrs +/- so I may not be able to test for a bit but will post results asap.
Okay I am pretty sure about the impulse cam but not sure about the ringer clapper rod.
Is that the rod with the bellclanger that strikes the bells?
If so it is there under the dial.
I looked closer at yhe photos of the other dial and the impulse cam is off also .Someone might have a photo to show the alignment. I still do not see the clapper rod on your ringer, It wouls be brtween the coils with a clapper between the gongs
Quote from: rdelius on November 13, 2018, 09:40:44 AM
Your ringer clapper rod appears to be missing.
Regular Member Post (http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=20151.msg206412#msg206412)
I'm just guessing here but isn't the clapper wire under the metal plate and in the topic phone, and the pivot point (red circle) seems to say this is a straight line ringer (top photo)?
Second photo is a stock (example from a slightly different perspective) with a frequency ringer showing the clapper under the plate and the frequency set up below the coils, not a pivot point.
I see the magnet blocks the view
Hi Guys,
I apologize for asking for help, then ditching the thread for a couple of days but they keep paying me so I keep working!
Stub, Yes, I lose dial tone with the link disconnected and paper separating the contacts.
As for the impulse cam, I found this diagram http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=18101.0 (http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=18101.0) showing the cam in a 12:00 t0 6:00 orientation. So I adjusted mine to that. Bingo! Now I break dial tone but I am 1 number behind (dialing 1 does not break DT, dialing 2, dials 1 etc...)
Also after dialing the cam reverts itself back to a 1:00 to 7:00 position similar to Stub's pics.
I will disassemble again and look for a mechanical reason but If anybody knows better I am all ears!
Thanks for everything so far!
AT2796,
Great so far ! Keep trying you might get it. If you can't get it to work right you need to send the dial to Steve Hilsz. I get parts from him to repair my dials . He does great work. http://navysalvage.com/dialrepair.html
stub
AT2796 ,
When you finish up your cleaning of the dial place one finger in the #1 hole ,pull it to the finger stop and hold it there . Your dial should look like mine in pic. The notch in the 1st impulse contact should drop down and line up with the lines on the impulse cam. When released it should pulse one time . If the impulse cam doesn't line up , remove the nut on the impulse cam ( don't lose the small lock washer )and remove the cam then reposition it and tighten the nut and you should be done. My dial works great on my Panasonic 616and POTS line. Hope this helps . stub
Thanks Everybody for your help and replies!
After disassembly and cleaning, and reassembly I noticed the arm opposite the shunt cam arm (I got that from the diagram I linked to above), the arm that closes the the dial contacts was bent. I gently tweaked it back to 90 degrees and now it ANI's clear as a bell! Transmit, receive, dial and ring, life is good!
Now...The dial returns slowly but that's okay something to trouble shoot in the near future. It has been a long couple of weeks, after some good sleep I'll decide whether to disassemble the dial again to see where I am binding or troubleshoot the transmitter problem in my 302...Decisions, decisions...
I would blame you guys but the truth is that my manager is a very sick man, his office is a telephone and phone signage/memorabilia museum with a couple of work items in it so he gets the blame for planting the seed. I'll just blame you guys for watering it.
I will post another pic of the dial after cleaning, looks much better now, more like the one in Stub's photos. Whether it worked or not it deserved the cleaning, the contacts and insulators were all wet with oil/grease.
Thanks again for your help!
Andy
Clean dial.
Andy,
Great job. Your welcome. Glad to help . stub
Hi. I see this is an old thread but having same issue: AE50 does not break dial when I engage rotary. Ring, talk, listen all works wonderfully. I also have a rotary desk phone that dials out fine on my line.
One difference is when I remove pulse link on back of dial and insert paper between dial shunt, I still hear dial tone.
Start by doing the following:
- Make certain that the pulsing contacts fully opens and closes with each revolution of the cam as the dial is being operated.
- Check the wiring by using the two diagrams that are pasted below.
- Gently separate the pulsing contacts while listening to the receiver, or slip a piece of paper between them to see if you are now unable to hear D.T.
If you are unable to find the problem, further instructions will be provided.