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Telephone Talk => Auction Talk => Topic started by: Sargeguy on December 11, 2008, 10:36:07 PM

Title: Fake Candlestick Auctions
Post by: Sargeguy on December 11, 2008, 10:36:07 PM
The Al Capone's phone thread got me thinking.  I am looking for a reasonably priced old candlestick, but before I drop the $$$ a "reasonably" priced candlestick would cost, I am trying to educate myself on fakes.

REAL OLD?

This one is pretty obvious, even to me:
> Candlestick No. 1 < (http://cgi.ebay.com/OLD-BRASS-STICK-PHONE-WITH-DAIL-NICE-PIECE_W0QQitemZ280292634252QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCorded_Phones?hash=item280292634252&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)

And this one with the blurry photo of the dial and no bids:
> Candlestick No. 2 < (http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-1910-BRASS-CANDLESTICK-TELEPHONE-L-K_W0QQitemZ290281051832QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCorded_Phones?hash=item290281051832&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)

This one is another Korean fake if I am not mistaken:
> Candlestick No. 3 < (http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Brass-Candlestick-Telephone-early-1900s_W0QQitemZ120348307351QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCorded_Phones?hash=item120348307351&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)

This one looks suspicious:
> Candlestick No. 4 < (http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Brass-Candlestick-Telephone-early-1900s_W0QQitemZ120348307351QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCorded_Phones?hash=item330292044988&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)

Fake???
Title: Re: Fake Candlestick Auctions
Post by: bingster on December 11, 2008, 10:50:14 PM
All fake... EXCEPT the first one!  The first one is actually a British candlestick, which is why it looks a little different.  Correct stick, correct receiver, the dial is a standard British BPO dial, and the dial card is a standard British dial card.  The dial card isn't as old as the phone, so it was probably replaced at some point later in it's life.  It's the real deal, though, and just like ours, it's gonna need a subset.
Title: Re: Fake Candlestick Auctions
Post by: Sargeguy on December 11, 2008, 11:02:43 PM
I actually just figured that out looking at another British phone up on eBay identical to my "obvious fake".  Still, if its British it might as well be fake. :D
Title: Re: Fake Candlestick Auctions
Post by: mienaichizu on December 11, 2008, 11:37:24 PM
the last three really speaks that they are fakes
Title: Re: Fake Candlestick Auctions
Post by: McHeath on December 12, 2008, 12:49:53 AM
The first one got my attention with that woven cord, I thought, huh, ain't that British?  And then the dial card certainly looked Anglo, but I was guessing it was made in Hong Kong or something in the old days and they simply patterned it off English equipment.  So if it's real what's it worth?
Title: Re: Fake Candlestick Auctions
Post by: BDM on December 12, 2008, 11:12:36 AM
Sarge, besides what you already know, read this carefully
http://www.oldphoneman.com/Fakes.htm
Title: Re: Fake Candlestick Auctions
Post by: poplar1 on July 06, 2013, 11:51:35 AM
oldphoneman mentions the following (see link above)

"10. Improper stamping of dates on front of base."

The first picture shows a fake 51-AL. Notice that the dates are near the top of the edge, instead of near the bottom.

The second picture is a real 51-AL. Note the position of the dates.
Title: Re: Fake Candlestick Auctions
Post by: poplar1 on July 13, 2013, 07:31:36 PM
Here's one that is half real and half fake. The real part was originally a type 22; that's the one with a "Hershey's Kiss" perch and a screw in the stem. Sadly, only the stem and perch and maybe the hookswitch remain.

The rubber receiver, "November 1910" transmitter cup, dial base and cords are all new. The transmitter is from a later candlestick or wall phone, the dial is a 5H from a 302 or a 4H from a 202.

Whoever removed the nickel and added all these fake parts is IMO worse than someone who would make an original phone into a lamp.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171073253347
Title: Re: Fake Candlestick Auctions
Post by: poplar1 on July 13, 2013, 07:39:13 PM
More pictures of the Type 22 + repro mix
Title: Re: Fake Candlestick Auctions
Post by: Sargeguy on July 18, 2013, 05:51:51 PM
Wow, I started collecting candlesticks 5 years ago!!!  I am averaging a little less than one candlestick per month since then.