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Title: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on September 10, 2013, 07:14:01 PM
From time to time I get messages from members who know I collect old Bell System signs asking my opinion on a sign.  I am far from an expert, but here are a few tips:


I have started putting real and fake signs into "Collections" on eBay so  people can get an idea of what's out there:

Signs that appear to be real into:  http://www.ebay.com/cln/sargeguy/Real-Signs/143405697017 (http://www.ebay.com/cln/sargeguy/Real-Signs/143405697017)

And signs that look fake into: http://www.ebay.com/cln/sargeguy/Fake-Signs/143555386017[/ur] (http://www.ebay.com/cln/sargeguy/Fake-Signs/143555386017)
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on September 10, 2013, 07:16:13 PM
Before purchasing any phone sign it is a good idea to conult the variety of different signs available from PHONECO.  Some  common PHONECO reproduction signs found on eBay:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Rr6f8qaAwbI/VHvwfLPOzGI/AAAAAAAAbr4/PRGPEaudduY/w400-h264-no/801510437_tp.jpg)
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on September 10, 2013, 07:19:23 PM
A clumsy attempt at aging a PHONECO sign with acid:
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on September 10, 2013, 07:22:50 PM
Those dang hub-caps!!!

Hub cap style signs can be very confusing.  Real examples have white backs and fakes have green or gray backs.  Also note the bell hanger is slightly different.  The top two are of a real hubcap and the bottom two are fakes:
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on September 10, 2013, 07:24:59 PM
More reproductions:
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Doug Rose on September 11, 2013, 07:14:17 PM
My daughter bought me this sign when she was 10, she is now 25. She saved her summer job money and got it for me. No one knows its a repro but me. She was soooo excited and proud of herself. It hangs proudly in my phone room....Doug
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on February 13, 2014, 09:35:29 PM
Don't let the $199 BIN fool you, this is another fake hubcap.  Painting the back white is a nice touch but note that the screw grommets are placed at 12 and 6 o'clock.  And look at the lettering  in "Bell System", what a mess!!!

VINTAGE BELL SYSTEM PUBLIC TELEPHONE ROUND PORCELAIN SIGN (http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-BELL-SYSTEM-PUBLIC-TELEPHONE-ROUND-PORCELAIN-SIGN-8-7-8-DIAMETER-/191067016027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c7c7b4b5b)



THIS IS A GREAT OLD SIGN. VERY NICE SHAPE FOR ITS AGE.NEEDS A LITTLE CLEANING. ZOOM IN ON THE  PICTURES TO SEE CONDITION.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on February 22, 2014, 06:48:40 PM
"PAY PHONE"?

Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Brinybay on February 25, 2014, 03:59:40 PM
So what's your take on this WU Telegram sign I bought? 
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on February 25, 2014, 07:01:14 PM
Looks like a repro to me.   :'(  This is the sign they were knocking off, although I suspect this might be bogus despite the rust and chipped paint:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261408191000 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/261408191000)
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Jim Stettler on February 25, 2014, 11:44:17 PM
Looks like a repro to me.   :'(  This is the sign they were knocking off, although I suspect this might be bogus despite the rust and chipped paint:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261408191000 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/261408191000)
I have seen three different examples of this sign.
1. was a definite repro, thin metal small corner holes
2. was heavy gauge metal with larger corner holes and better quality paint it seemed to be an earlier repro  { possibly a later original sign but most likely repro.}
and sign #3 was about   8 or 10" square and was a very nice original porcelain sign.
 

This sign looks like #2, the damage to the metal and paint would appear different if it was #1.

I am interested in a porcelain example of this sign.
Jim
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on December 14, 2014, 03:12:09 PM
This guy has sold a couple of these. 

Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on December 14, 2014, 03:20:38 PM
I started putting signs that appear to be real into:  http://www.ebay.com/cln/sargeguy/Real-Signs/143405697017

And signs that look fake into: http://www.ebay.com/cln/sargeguy/Fake-Signs/143555386017
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Signguy on December 14, 2014, 04:34:03 PM
Regarding the AT&T booth sign presently on ebay.

10-15 years ago we were at a picnic at a friends house. The daughter of another friend
knew I collected telephone signs. During the afternoon she  came over to me and  motioned for me to come to the side that she had something to show me that was in an empty field next
door. We took a walk over and found some of those signs half buried in the grass and dirt. As it turned someone from across the road had put them there to "age" before he brought them to a local antique shop. Never did find out where the guy got them since he was not to happy
that the young girl had found his "stash". He was a local politician and died a few years later.  Never did see them for sale on the local scene so always wondered what happened to them. Also wondered how they found their way to Montana, of all places.

The wisest word in collecting is still "education". Whether its telephone signs or Barbie Dolls.

Cheers..... Ell
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on December 16, 2014, 04:36:34 PM
caveat emptor

I am not accusing anyone of misrepresenting reproduction signs at the real thing however these two very similar auctions caught my eye.  India is a notorious producer of convincing fake porcelain signs.  The signs they produce are artificially aged and the backs are artificially rusted with chemicals or salt water.  The authentic versions of this sign illustrated in Bob Alexanders A Collector's Guide to Antique Porcelain Telephone Signs illustrates a version that has the two holes placed towards the middle top edge of the sign, as if hung on a bracket, not in the corners as depicted in these examples below.  Also, is the rust orange or dark brown?  Authentic rust is usually dark in color while more recent rust is more or a red/orange color.

eBay auction from Tampa for $825:

Antique Rare Original Railroad/Subway/Bus Column Pay Station Porcelain Sign (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Rare-Original-Railroad-Subway-Bus-Column-Pay-Station-Porcelain-Sign-/251635969867?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a96ac2f4b)

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Antique 1920-30s Original Railroad/Subway/Bus Pay Station Direction Sign. Heavy gauge metal porcelain in black and white. In good used condition, slightly bend - believe to be mounted on a large column. Does show wear and use, chips,rust and/or scratches. Please see photos closely, item in as found uncleaned! Super rare 18" by 5.5" smaller sign- but try to find another! An addition to any collection,thank you for looking and please see my other listings.

eBay auction from India for $79.99:

ORIGINAL OLD BEAUTIFUL PAYSTATION PORCELAIN ENAMEL SIGN 18 x 5 5 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-OLD-BEAUTIFUL-PAYSTATION-PORCELAIN-ENAMEL-SIGN-18-x-5-5-/251648751987?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a976f3973)

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This auction is about OLD PAYSTATION Porcelain Enamel Sign board. This sign was used to advertise the type brand outside a dealer's store. It has got four screw fitting holes. Very beautiful enamel sign board! Got wear & Tear around the cornors (Check the pics). Size is 18 x 5.5 Inches.Approximately. Please check the pics and buy. THANK YOU AND HAPPY BIDDING.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on December 16, 2014, 04:41:04 PM
Here is the one from India for posterity:
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on December 17, 2014, 01:28:03 AM
Looks like someone else is looking to cash in on some of the $500 fake booth sign action. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/271711071368 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/271711071368)
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on December 17, 2014, 08:51:33 AM
It looks like the first seller found another one ion that basement.  In his previous auction he stated that he'd found two in that basement.  Now he says it was three.  Maybe they were stuck together with the wax paper. 
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on January 03, 2015, 12:20:58 AM
The plot thickens-looks like a previous buyer, who paid full price, reneged.  I thought all the previous auctions ended with a Best Offer.  Don't you have to pay immediately in order to use the Buy-It-Now option?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281550297947 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/281550297947)
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Brinybay on January 29, 2015, 12:38:03 AM
Don't let the $199 BIN fool you, this is another fake hubcap.  Painting the back white is a nice touch but note that the screw grommets are placed at 12 and 6 o'clock.  And look at the lettering  in "Bell System", what a mess!!!

VINTAGE BELL SYSTEM PUBLIC TELEPHONE ROUND PORCELAIN SIGN (http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-BELL-SYSTEM-PUBLIC-TELEPHONE-ROUND-PORCELAIN-SIGN-8-7-8-DIAMETER-/191067016027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c7c7b4b5b)

THIS IS A GREAT OLD SIGN. VERY NICE SHAPE FOR ITS AGE.NEEDS A LITTLE CLEANING. ZOOM IN ON THE  PICTURES TO SEE CONDITION.


Seems to have made it's way over to Proxibid (http://tinyurl.com/nqusu85), but at least they say it's a repro: 
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on February 22, 2015, 04:48:24 PM
Here is an older PHONECO reproduction that the seller does not actually claim is real, note how the outside flange, the part that rests against the wall is a nice uniform blue.  In a real sign this will be either white or a sloppy mixture of white and blue.

Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Partyline4 on February 22, 2015, 05:49:59 PM
Really good thread Sarge

Top notch!

I wonder if he was trying to make a fake market for the signs?
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: WEBellSystemChristian on February 23, 2015, 11:20:44 AM
I think he just bought a repro sign and marketed it as a Bell sign. Even though he made it sound like an original, he didn't clearly state anywhere whether it was original or repro, so someone can't complain that the seller was false advertising.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on February 23, 2015, 12:17:17 PM
Another common fake.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on February 23, 2015, 12:27:05 PM
This one is a tin sign but there is a porcelain fake also.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on February 23, 2015, 12:31:23 PM
Fantasy fake. Tin sign.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Partyline4 on February 23, 2015, 05:28:33 PM
I really enjoy this.  :)


I hope they never get too good at making fakes....

I would think people would be more self aware of buying a replica.

Send the seller a PM or something!
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: unbeldi on February 23, 2015, 05:43:50 PM
Here is a little refrigerator magnet that I actually like quite a bit.

Please don't tell me it's fake!

LOL.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: compubit on February 23, 2015, 09:10:18 PM
Here is a little refrigerator magnet that I actually like quite a bit.

Please don't tell me it's fake!

LOL.

If it doesn't fall off the refrigerator, then it's not a fake magnet ;-)

Jim
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on June 23, 2015, 05:24:58 PM
If it's rusty it must be real, right?  Fake rust and ambiguous description:

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PUBLIC TELEPHONE BELL SYSTEM  9" PORCELAIN SIGN.  GREAT RENDITION OF A  AGED SIGN. WILL BLEND IN EXCELLENT WITH ANY COLLECTION OR AS RUSTIC WALL ART. SIGN IS BEING SOLD AS-IS WITH CHIPS FADING AND RUST TO THE PORCELAIN FINISH.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on June 23, 2015, 06:16:58 PM
Here is a little refrigerator magnet that I actually like quite a bit.

Please don't tell me it's fake!

LOL.

Of course it's a fake. They didn't have refrigerators back then, only iceboxes. 
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on June 24, 2015, 08:58:34 PM
Seriously???  I hope the Best Offer was $10 or less!
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on August 09, 2015, 09:03:24 AM
Another fake with rust applied:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TELEPHONE-PAY-STATION-PORCELAIN-SIGN-LOCAL-LONG-DISTANCE-/181826269472?hash=item2a55b0b120 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/TELEPHONE-PAY-STATION-PORCELAIN-SIGN-LOCAL-LONG-DISTANCE-/181826269472?hash=item2a55b0b120)

Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on October 15, 2015, 06:58:32 PM
All fakes (in my opinion) except the NY Tel and Southern Cal Badge. Notice there are no pictures of the back?

http://tinyurl.com/ncvgx4j

Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on October 18, 2015, 07:55:13 AM
Yes there are some from India or Argentina that are pretty good, and ussually have a BIN of $500 or so.  I have not seen any of those for a while though.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on November 16, 2015, 11:29:39 PM
4.5 inches.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on November 16, 2015, 11:31:23 PM
I haven't seen these before. Made of aluminum and the edges are wrong.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on November 16, 2015, 11:36:07 PM
The well known 8x8 repro with a new twist. On a bracket.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on November 17, 2015, 04:22:35 PM
A clever fake from Argentina that had me fooled for a couple of minutes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321923160557 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/321923160557)

 The aging is nicely done but the rust on the back is a giveaway.  There should also be some porcelain on the back that was rusted through.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on November 17, 2015, 09:27:24 PM
Surprised! Seller is not accepting messages. I was going to tell hin:

Es una falsificación! I don't think you need a translation on that.  ;)
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on November 18, 2015, 08:24:13 AM
Yes, the first red flag on this is the seller location of "Argentina" then once you take a closer look you realize why it is fake.  Another red flag on an old porcelain sign is a seller location in India.

The item has sold.  Looks like someone is the proud owner of a quality reproduction.  I'm just glad they don't make NET&T signs, I probably would have hit the BIN before looking at all the pictures.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: WEBellSystemChristian on November 18, 2015, 11:14:32 AM
I'll probably be the first to admit that I wouldn't be that disappointed if I accidentally bought a quality repro sign. It may not be original, but it looks real, and not being a sign collector gives me the advantage of getting a decent-looking reproduction for cheap without humiliating myself! ::)

I just wish someone made a repro Wisconsin Telephone sign, I'd snatch it up (at a low price of course)!
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on November 18, 2015, 07:56:28 PM
You don't want to spend $200 on one though!
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on January 06, 2016, 10:58:53 PM
Set the fake sign on fire to give it an air of authenticity?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1950s-lincoln-Telephone-tin-sign-/141867176758?hash=item2107f15336:g:hEoAAOSwLN5WiDkz (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1950s-lincoln-Telephone-tin-sign-/141867176758?hash=item2107f15336:g:hEoAAOSwLN5WiDkz)
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on January 21, 2016, 09:42:43 PM
This is a new one I haven't seen before but easily recognizable as a fake.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: AE_Collector on January 21, 2016, 11:10:30 PM
The plot thickens-looks like a previous buyer, who paid full price, reneged.  I thought all the previous auctions ended with a Best Offer.  Don't you have to pay immediately in order to use the Buy-It-Now option?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281550297947 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/281550297947)

No you DON'T have to pay instantly on a BIN.

eBay takes you to the Pay for it Now page on a BIN but if you bail out at that point you have still bought it and eBay is waiting for you to pay for it. I have done this a couple of times now. I cant specifically recall why I initially bailed out of paying the first time I did that but more recently I asked the seller a question to clarify something before doing the BIN but my question wasn't quickly answered. Not wanting to lose the deal to someone else I "Bought it Now" but didn't pay until my question was answered. In this particular example I checked and the item was no longer listed for someone else to grab.

Terry
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: poplar1 on January 21, 2016, 11:47:21 PM
Seller has option of requiring immediate payment for BINs. Buyer is advised that until payment is made, another person can buy the item. And yes, I have missed out on items i had already "bought it now" because i didn't pay right away.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on January 21, 2016, 11:52:00 PM
That is a weird one.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on January 27, 2016, 06:46:08 PM
Doctored repro-look at the other auctions:  Bell public telephone lubester pump plate porcelain gas oil sign (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bell-public-telephone-lubester-pump-plate-porcelain-gas-oil-sign-/331763775960?hash=item4d3ea979d8:g:6YMAAOSwpzdWqAn0)
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on February 13, 2016, 08:35:34 PM
Here is another fake Lincoln Telephone sign from Argentina.  It is a good example of faked rust:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/331777501465 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/331777501465)
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Brinybay on February 18, 2016, 12:06:41 PM
My first reaction is the application of the "too new to be true" rule, although there appears to be some wear at 8 o'clock.  There's no pic of the reverse side.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on February 18, 2016, 12:53:05 PM
My first reaction is the application of the "too new to be true" rule, although there appears to be some wear at 8 o'clock.  There's no pic of the reverse side.

There appears to be depth of the lettering in the wording "Bell System" which may indicate a original '21 Bell sign. If there was a picture of the flange that would help.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Brinybay on February 18, 2016, 01:43:13 PM
Looks like a repro to me.   :'(  This is the sign they were knocking off, although I suspect this might be bogus despite the rust and chipped paint:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261408191000 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/261408191000)
I have seen three different examples of this sign.
1. was a definite repro, thin metal small corner holes
2. was heavy gauge metal with larger corner holes and better quality paint it seemed to be an earlier repro  { possibly a later original sign but most likely repro.}
and sign #3 was about   8 or 10" square and was a very nice original porcelain sign.
 

This sign looks like #2, the damage to the metal and paint would appear different if it was #1.

I am interested in a porcelain example of this sign.
Jim

So any original sign like this would be porcelain?
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: HarrySmith on February 18, 2016, 09:20:23 PM
That one looks like it could have been one that was painted on. Probably on wood and maybe on brick buildings.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on February 18, 2016, 09:43:03 PM
So any original sign like this would be porcelain?

It is the concenous of most sign collectors that the original candlestick "telephone you telegraphs ..." signs were porcelain. This sign has been reproduced for a long time.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Brinybay on February 19, 2016, 12:57:22 AM
That one looks like it could have been one that was painted on. Probably on wood and maybe on brick buildings.

That one's a repro, they even say so, I only used it as an illustration.  I'm looking for an authentic Western Union sign that says to telephone your telegrams.  I've seen 4 different types.  It's to go with the metal 302 I have that has a Western Union dial card.  Besides that one, the other 3 I've seen are these:
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Brinybay on February 19, 2016, 07:47:58 PM
Repro or authentic?
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on February 20, 2016, 10:45:06 AM
Authentic, worth about $75 give or take.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Jim Stettler on February 20, 2016, 12:34:51 PM
I have a spare 1 of these that i would be willing to sell. PM if interested.
Jim S.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on March 22, 2016, 05:23:40 PM
I especially like the pattern on the back, it reminds me of my patio table
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on March 22, 2016, 05:53:15 PM
I especially like the pattern on the back, it reminds me of my patio table

I saw this the other day on eBay. But missed that they replaced the original wording MOUNTAIN STATES TELEPHONE & TELEGRAPE with the American T&T name.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on April 09, 2016, 08:47:15 PM
This is a new one for me:
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: AE_Collector on April 09, 2016, 10:16:38 PM
No rust or gun shot holes.....just a coffee stain......

Terry
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: RotarDad on April 09, 2016, 10:21:07 PM
I don't know signs very well, but I would still be suspicious a telephone sign that has the word "telephone" four times....... ;)
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on April 09, 2016, 11:31:57 PM
I don't know signs very well, but I would still be suspicious a telephone sign that has the word "telephone" four times....... ;)

This repo is a copy of a real sign.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on April 19, 2016, 11:33:15 PM
Not telephone but hopefully telegraph is close enough. The sign is dated 1986 at bottom and the seller says he doesn't know if it's real or not. Haven't seen this ones before.

http://tinyurl.com/zxqj7cb
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on April 20, 2016, 11:51:43 AM
Here is a classic example of a fake hubcap.  It has the wrong location of the holes (12 and 6 o'clock rather than 9 and 3 o'clock).  It is the wrong size (9 inches instead of &) and has faked new rust (orange instead of dark brown).  Looking at the other items he has for sale and you see similar fake signs for gas and oil.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on April 20, 2016, 11:52:47 AM
Also keep in mind that a genuine hubcap in mint condition sells for around $50-75.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Dan/Panther on April 20, 2016, 01:11:14 PM
My daughter bought me this sign when she was 10, she is now 25. She saved her summer job money and got it for me. No one knows its a repro but me. She was soooo excited and proud of herself. It hangs proudly in my phone room....Doug

Doug;
If you had an original also, I bet that one your daughter bought would still be your favorite.
Nothing wrong with displaying a repro.
JMHO.

D/P
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Doug Rose on April 21, 2016, 05:38:04 AM
Dan....you are correct! It is my Favorite....Doug
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on May 25, 2016, 09:21:57 PM
Here is a repro sign being sold as original that has netted a few unsuspecting bidders-

http://www.ebay.com/itm/252399965721? (http://www.ebay.com/itm/252399965721?)

If you have any doubts look at his other signage for sale

Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on May 26, 2016, 12:26:39 PM
Here is a repro sign being sold as original that has netted a few unsuspecting bidders-

http://www.ebay.com/itm/252399965721? (http://www.ebay.com/itm/252399965721?)

If you have any doubts look at his other signage for sale

Up to $68 with several bidders. I wonder how many are shills? Years ago you could contact the bidders and warn them but now eBay doesn't allow that kind of contact.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: 19and41 on May 27, 2016, 02:07:35 PM
If it were real, after this long would it have really mattered if it were currently being stored in a smoke free environment?
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: andre_janew on May 27, 2016, 07:23:21 PM
It is up to $112.50 now!
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on May 28, 2016, 04:31:17 PM
If it were real, after this long would it have really mattered if it were currently being stored in a smoke free environment?

Someone is going to get "smoked" either way.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on July 06, 2016, 01:43:23 PM
VINTAGE AMERICAN TELEPHONE & TELEGRAPH CO. PORCELAIN SIGN........2-SIDED SIGN (http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-AMERICAN-TELEPHONE-TELEGRAPH-CO-PORCELAIN-SIGN-2-SIDED-SIGN-/262508419105?hash=item3d1eb89821:g:CvgAAOSweWVXd~H1)

The fact that the sign has been hanging in your man cave since 1991 is not necessarily an indicator of its authenticity.  He does have a few real signs for sale, which is probably confusing the bidders.

Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on July 06, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
The seller is using the same photo that you have on eBay in their fake sign section:

http://www.ebay.com/cln/sargeguy/fake-signs/143555386017
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on July 08, 2016, 12:12:41 PM
Looks like the seller has re-listed it as a possible reproduction, changing the description to read:

"EBAY HAS PUT THIS SIGN ON THEIR REPRODUCTION ...[FAKE]... LIST.........YOU BE THE JUDGE........PLEASE BID ACCORDINGLY."
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: 19and41 on July 08, 2016, 01:20:10 PM
That's the flake that popped the cereal box.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on July 08, 2016, 03:59:47 PM
Looks like the seller has re-listed it as a possible reproduction, changing the description to read:

"EBAY HAS PUT THIS SIGN ON THEIR REPRODUCTION ...[FAKE]... LIST.........YOU BE THE JUDGE........PLEASE BID ACCORDINGLY."

I had contacted him about the sign and pointed out it was listed on eBay's fake page.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on September 07, 2016, 09:29:59 PM
Here's a new fake. Complete with rust/discoloration at no extra charge. This fake is based on the pictured Southwestern Bell sign.

On eBay: http://tinyurl.com/hh7slyg
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: 19and41 on September 07, 2016, 09:41:01 PM
"Vintaged".  There's a new verb I've not seen before.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on September 14, 2016, 07:24:42 PM
More fraud, this time the dates of manufacture on these old signs were obscured.  Someone paid $122.50 for a rusty version of a sign they could have purchased for $39.95. 

Buyer beware of seller "neverenoughchevys"
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: 19and41 on September 15, 2016, 03:57:09 PM
It's fortunate that you care enough to advise people of such goings on.  It looks like one could be taken in in short order through such deception.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on October 09, 2016, 08:11:44 PM
More fakery:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/131954104613 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/131954104613)

The dimensions are incorrect-should be 20" not 18"

Once again a look at oldjunque74's other items raises some red flags
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on October 12, 2016, 03:46:54 PM
neverenoughchevys is at it again:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/282215328985? (http://www.ebay.com/itm/282215328985?)
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: 19and41 on October 12, 2016, 04:03:13 PM
That is sad.  Such shenanigans damage the entire market.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: WEBellSystemChristian on October 13, 2016, 10:44:01 AM
I wouldn't mind if repro signs at least looked new, but there's no doubt the manufacturers are trying to create forgeries, mimicking the age/rust/damage of real signs exactly.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: andre_janew on October 14, 2016, 04:50:59 PM
I've always thought that companies made the reproduction signs looking new and some people bought them to age them and make them rusty so they could make money selling "original" signs.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on October 14, 2016, 07:39:29 PM
The manufacturer of the sign clearly indicates the date of manufacture, which the seller had obscured with fake rust
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: 19and41 on October 14, 2016, 07:49:27 PM
I guess signage is one of those areas I will avoid.  I'm sure that a practiced individual could detect forgeries, but I reckon it is a carefully acquired skill.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on March 23, 2017, 08:20:58 PM
New fake?

http://tinyurl.com/ljzujt7

Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Jim Stettler on March 23, 2017, 09:06:40 PM
New fake?

http://tinyurl.com/ljzujt7


I guess it depends on if that is pre-1969 plastic or  not.
JMO,
Jim S.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Russ Kirk on March 23, 2017, 09:23:19 PM
While I am far from a sign expert i do see issues.

First is the green color,  I'm interested in hearing if anyone has seen a green sign before.

Next it is the word TELEPHONE, I see the TELE is straight and not curved like in other signs. The PH is tilted and ONE is again straight.

I would pass on the sign.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: 19and41 on March 23, 2017, 09:40:20 PM
Oughta be worth 50 bucks.  See if they'll take a couple of 25's for it.  ;D
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on March 23, 2017, 10:18:36 PM
By "new fake" I meant that it was new to the market. There's no doubt (in my mind) that it is a fake.  I would think only of interest as a decor piece.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Pourme on March 24, 2017, 08:54:32 AM
In reference to these "fake" signs. If they were reasonable in price, more aligned with other automobile related fake signage like you can find on the shelf in Hobby lobby, I would purchase one for display. It seems to me the sellers of these signs start them high to give them the appearance of original signage. I can buy the same "Shell Oil" repo sign for $5. I even asked in Hobby Lobby why they don't carry phone related reproduction signs.

I would love to be able to afford to collect authentic phone signs but I can't. Reasonably priced fake signs would be nice to have to enhance telephone displays for those of us that don't have the budget for the real thing.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on March 24, 2017, 03:03:28 PM
Plenty of these signs are low priced and can be find listed as reproductions.  Unfortunately many of these are mistaken for real signs by people who buy them at yard sales and thrift stores.  Other sellers deliberately mislead by artificially rusting items and obscuring marks that identify them as repros. As I stated before, "Bell System" hubcaps can be had fairly cheaply if you are patient and educate yourself on what to look for. 
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: 19and41 on March 24, 2017, 03:18:56 PM
I'm curious about a sign here for sale at $125.  To my eye there is no way to tell it's age nor origin.  Is it an old sign or a repro?

Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on March 24, 2017, 09:05:25 PM
That appears original.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on March 24, 2017, 09:18:18 PM
I have seen that referred to as the "1964" bell.  Not a popular subject for fakers, usually sells for around $75
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: 19and41 on March 24, 2017, 09:28:59 PM
Thanks for the info.  I doubt If I will take up signs as collectibles, but the ones I see on this site are nice to look at.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on May 12, 2017, 01:28:33 PM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/avsfixVP90BLLtx0CytEFUenSkX_S07FF0WxpprY1tBBPNYq1WyHoTmyFz2-zpxeYFpjzy8qvS9KHHH2gJ6tGGS8QxXearMxyfS2tURGbjzOlahojsvreyLcTdugKlBbtjMSgYyEfFyG68FFtRfq-ScxvGWHJszVnrPs9atGXfcrOE8ygPGzTZ1GbBiJ8xZYiSGyO5RgsluoSlqX1C4FzqU2WiAQV1KpxKZPSEM9ART3jDJnQY__ztPNTQBlEt184JRIS1znobC5jpJLCex7m5OO6G3xtzaAJ5XALwT3CSrLK1-0VWSGedHdtcD5oeMnMIfJkbJ9Ic74mCFACOytxcSGsLuIpPxxdFWR9VvvZlP8le4P9PMEzXAYTngetvkJIMSwY3mmqEsBu4R-hlkSCphnt7TXfDSsxEGtl8cgWXY0srETqcSTcBDkA4EpJ_0hwRD0EIV1SduXl6qnJE4jAVNjEIXrYVuRS23ojqfTFPHTwpGn5ajAhBZa4mYCmshZodUFXKZBYBppA7UxjrYFPlIeTQzGPI_C7nd6Qzq0GneAy8YCCwr7eIbbJ_D1nyGr8HZ6SfJnlKV5Wc-AaIXaEoiHqL1aotQUqPL9-dWOu1CI3MeTTr6tvA=w690-h923-no)

Pacific Telephone & Telegraph fake, very well made buit the dimensions are off and the lettering is fishy.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on August 31, 2017, 10:20:34 AM
 ::)
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on August 31, 2017, 08:49:21 PM

Pacific Telephone & Telegraph fake, very well made buit the dimensions are off and the lettering is fishy.

One of the most dangerous fakes out there.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on November 15, 2017, 11:47:04 AM
This fake is a variant of the Southwestern  sign posted in this thread.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: 19and41 on November 15, 2017, 12:48:30 PM
Judging by the other examples of real and surreal signage, If I were to guess. I'd suspect it because of the grommets in the corner holes and the intricacy and amount of lettering surrounding the Bell logo.  Am I doing any better?
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: andre_janew on November 22, 2017, 04:13:58 PM
Has anyone ever heard of Northwestern Bell Telephone Company?  Did such a company even exist?
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: HarrySmith on November 22, 2017, 05:30:00 PM
It is all wrong in my opinion. The rust only around the outer edge, the lettering, the bell and the grommets.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on November 22, 2017, 07:21:23 PM
Has anyone ever heard of Northwestern Bell Telephone Company?  Did such a company even exist?

Yes, they were a real Bell System company, serving the upper mid-west. Their signs are usually hard to find. Probably due to the lower population of the service area?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwestern_Bell

Title: 6 Inch Fake Bell of Pennsylvania Hub Cap
Post by: Fabius on December 21, 2017, 12:51:16 PM
Seller says there were 25 of these made. A few things show that it is a reproduction so hopefully collectors in the future will be able to spot it as a repro. Problems with the sign are: The item description indicates it's a repro. The seller has a few other repro signs listed.

Black back
Grommets too big in relation to the sign
Grommet covers letter on the right side
The dark blue color seems too light
In the picture where the sign is being held at an angle the lack of quality seems apparent.

At least the item description indicates, indirectly, it's a repro. The seller has a few other repro signs listed.



 
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on December 21, 2017, 12:52:58 PM
Here's a real 8" Bell of Pennsylvania hub cap.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: tallrick on December 23, 2017, 01:40:07 AM
It is surprisingly easy to make reproduction signs. I had made a few years back for my gas station display. Screen stencils are used to deposit enamel over the base coat. Most signs were sprayed on and have that "orange peel" look to them.  I prefer making a repro over some rusted out original. Large signs require a kiln much too large for the home hobbyist.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Fabius on February 14, 2018, 12:59:41 PM
More fakes seen on Esty.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: 19and41 on February 14, 2018, 01:07:58 PM
Interesting how the entire surface of the bottom one is blemished, except for the bell.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: WEBellSystemChristian on February 14, 2018, 03:00:34 PM
Interesting how the entire surface of the bottom one is blemished, except for the bell.
...along with the white outlines of the silkscreened letters and lines! ::)
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on February 15, 2018, 10:42:12 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/162899486446 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/162899486446)

The Argentinian faker is still in business!!! Looks like he's lowered the price and now offers FREE SHIPPING!
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on March 18, 2018, 04:21:15 PM
caveat emptor

https://www.ebay.com/itm/183121398007 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/183121398007)

Th description is a real confidence builder:

Quote
PORCELAIN ENAMEL SIGN TELEPHONE PAY STATION 24X5" SINGLE SIDED

Sold On As Is Basis. Age, History, Not Known, Bought from Antique Sign Collectors. Nicely Washed And Cleaned
Not Touched/ Painted.
Weight 1kg/ 1.76lbs Approx.
Collectibles /Antiques Not Returnable.
Please Ask For More Photos If Required
We Ship Within 2 Days Of Receiving Full Payment. Mostly We Ship Through Fedex or DHL And Provide Tracking Number. All Signs Are Professionally Packed.
Since These Are Used Items And Sold on offers, There Are NO REFUNDS Or RETURN Offered. It Is Like Real Time selling. You Ask Questions, Photos, Before Bidding And Do All Surveys.
We Sell All These On " As Is Where" Basis Since Age, History, Origin Are Not Known To Us.
Once You offer And Pay - The Item Is Yours.
Free shipping to USA and CANADA
If your from other than USA or CANADA please ask for Quotation for shipping
Please contact us If you want us to reduce the price on Invoicing as it will save you from Custom Duty.
We are not responsible for Custom Clearance or activities involving any Government agencies.
Buyer will pay the return shipping fee
Thank you

Taking a look at the sellers other items, it seems like he sells a lot of signs of "unknown origin" that all have very similar artificial aging.  Hmmm.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/183129757082? (https://www.ebay.com/itm/183129757082?)

And of course one has to wonder how a Lincoln Telephone sign wound up in Mumbai
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on July 13, 2018, 06:01:11 PM
oops!!! :o
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on August 13, 2018, 12:39:34 PM
Doh!
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on August 13, 2018, 12:40:53 PM
A couple of new signs that have popped up on eBay lately:
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on August 13, 2018, 12:43:11 PM
These are from a huckster who sells other obvious reproductions. Always check what else is for sale if you have any doubts.  "OIL" and "GAS" in the title are usually giveaways that seller is peddling rusty Ande Rooney signs.
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on August 29, 2018, 10:37:08 AM
Here is his latest:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/173501274841? (https://www.ebay.com/itm/173501274841?)

The seller is really committed to his fraud-no vague disclaimers about authenticity here:

Quote
Porcelain sign measures 8 by 10 and is made of heavy gauge steel. Bought the sign in a auction in chicago was told by owner the sign hung in one of the old jails there in town years ago. Either way neat little sign and good luck bidding
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: tallrick on August 31, 2018, 12:41:17 PM
Of course it is fake, telegrams?
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: rdelius on August 31, 2018, 12:54:08 PM
Fake but AT&T was American Telephone  and Telegraph co 
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: tallrick on August 31, 2018, 10:33:04 PM
Yes telegraph not telegrams as shown in the "illinois bell" sign!
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on September 01, 2018, 04:33:32 PM
Do you mean the "Illinois Telephone Bell Company" sign?
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: tallrick on September 01, 2018, 10:13:36 PM
Thats the one!
Title: Re: Examples of Reproduction Telephone Signs
Post by: Sargeguy on November 26, 2018, 02:33:38 PM
Here is a fake M & M Telephone sign that has been popping up.  Indian fake.  Paul V had a flange from this company in his collection which was sold on eBay after his passing a few years ago. That could be where they got the idea from.