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Telephone Talk => General Discussion => Topic started by: HobieSport on October 17, 2008, 12:15:26 AM

Title: Dial-less Telephones?
Post by: HobieSport on October 17, 2008, 12:15:26 AM
Here's a real basic newbie question:

How were the various phones without dials used? ???

For example, how would you phone out on a dial-less candlestick?  Were you automatically connected to an operator?

Just curious, because I see lot's of good looking phones without dials, but are they essentially useless these days? :-\

Thanks, -Matt

Title: Re: Dail-less Telephones?
Post by: Dan/Panther on October 17, 2008, 12:38:25 AM
When I was a kid in Upstate New York, we had a dialess phone, we also had a 4 digit phone number R-247.
When you picked up the phone, you tapped the cradle buttons a couple times, and a operator would come on. You would then tell her, (YES HER !, Never had a male operator), for the number you wanted to be connected to.
Dan
Title: Re: Dail-less Telephones?
Post by: BDM on October 17, 2008, 01:49:00 AM
Yes, when off hook, an operator would answer. If it's local battery, then it came with a magneto sub-set.
Title: Re: Dial-less Telephones?
Post by: McHeath on October 17, 2008, 06:41:47 PM
I don't think this was done back in the day but you can dial a phone without using the dial.  Pick up the handset and pump the hookswitch real fast the number of times for each digit in the phone number you want to call.  7 fast hangups for a 7 etc, then pause a moment and do the next number.  I don't know if this works on VoiP or cable or any of that newfangled stuff but it works with our AT and T service and is a sure crowd pleaser. 
Title: Re: Dial-less Telephones?
Post by: Perry on October 17, 2008, 07:17:31 PM
Here is an interesting (to me) film about the transition to dials. Gramps' grumpy resistance to the idea is kind of funny. It also shows how the dial-less phones were used back then. The original dial tone sounds kind of scary; I wonder when that was changed? It also emphasizes the "wait for dial tone" instruction:
http://www.archive.org/details/DialComesToT (http://www.archive.org/details/DialComesToT)

You could dial out on a dial-less phone using one of the devices discussed in this thread (or just use it for incoming calls):
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=42.0 (http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=42.0)
Title: Re: Dial-less Telephones?
Post by: benhutcherson on October 17, 2008, 07:34:12 PM
I have a dial-less WE 500 set from '59.

I've also occasionally seen dial less telephones used today on special-purpose lines. My school has them on the second and third floor of the library building mounted right by the elevator-pick up the phone, and it rings directly down to the circulation desk. If you need some other extension(in the building or on campus), they can transfer you, however the primary purpose, there again, is to contact the circulation desk. Thus, a dial is not necessary. This particular one is a Cortelco-brand 554 style-it could just as easily be a rotary dial or touch tone(with the round dial) telephone. This isn't a particularly old building, either-as I recall, it was finished in '97.
Title: Re: Dial-less Telephones?
Post by: andre_janew on October 28, 2019, 07:07:15 PM
Also keep in mind that many dial-less telephones were refurbished and provided with a dial.
Title: Re: Dial-less Telephones?
Post by: Duffy on October 28, 2019, 07:31:36 PM
Also keep in mind that many dial-less telephones were refurbished and provided with a dial.

Wow, you just brought a 11 year old thread back to life.  :)
Title: Re: Dial-less Telephones?
Post by: FABphones on October 29, 2019, 03:38:04 AM
From this thread I discovered the film archive (link on reply 4), and got to hear that dial tone for the first time. Did this change over the years or did it remain the same throughout?

Some old crpf threads have great info on them. We just need to use the 'search' option more to find them.  :)

Thanks for bumping this a_j.
Title: Re: Dial-less Telephones?
Post by: dsk on October 29, 2019, 06:03:53 AM
It is a way around it, and probably for less money than this: https://www.harriscomm.com/ablephone-ap6000-voice-activated-phone-number-and-digit-dialer.html

dsk
Title: Re: Dial-less Telephones?
Post by: Duffy on October 29, 2019, 06:55:24 AM

Some old crpf threads have great info on them. We just need to use the 'search' option more to find them.  :)

Thanks for bumping this a_j.

That was my point exactly.  ;)
Title: Re: Dial-less Telephones?
Post by: countryman on October 29, 2019, 07:56:51 AM
It is a way around it, and probably for less money than this: https://www.harriscomm.com/ablephone-ap6000-voice-activated-phone-number-and-digit-dialer.html

dsk

It seems the same device is sold under the name "Vocally" in the german speaking countries. I've watched one on eBay lately but the seller's reserve price was out of my preferred range (it did not sell).
The issue of voice dialing has been discussed here: http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=22758.msg228870#msg228870 (http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=22758.msg228870#msg228870)
Solutions to the problem of having "operator service like back in the days" are out there  :)
I bet it would be a non-issue to build it into a VOIP router, but setting it up on a single collector basis is a nice challenge.

Edit, thanks andre janew for bumping the thread and FABphones for pointing out the video link! Enjoyed it!
Title: Re: Dial-less Telephones?
Post by: andre_janew on October 31, 2019, 08:13:53 PM
The dial tone in the video sounds more like a buzz than what I'm used to.
Title: Re: Dial-less Telephones?
Post by: Doug Rose on October 31, 2019, 08:33:01 PM
I love the design of this dial less Kellogg Redbar. It is a classic....Doug
Title: Re: Dial-less Telephones?
Post by: HarrySmith on November 01, 2019, 06:56:08 AM
Agreed, they are very cool looking phones. I still have one for sale:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=21649.0