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Telephone Talk => Flea Market/Yard Sale/Antique Store Finds => Topic started by: Brinybay on October 11, 2011, 03:30:50 AM

Title: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: Brinybay on October 11, 2011, 03:30:50 AM
I can't resist 47yo NIB phones.  Paid $30 for this.  Even comes with instructions, how cool is that?
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: stub on October 11, 2011, 04:23:14 AM
Brinybay ,
               Just send it to me cause it is boxed wrong. Box code is supposed to be white  ;D  You LUCKY dog :o  Man, that's a great find! ;D   I like the way these sound.    stub
              
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: teka-bb on October 11, 2011, 05:18:57 AM

Any chance of scanning the paperwork so I can put it in the library?
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: GG on October 11, 2011, 06:00:48 AM


Yeeps!  Holy cow!   Dude!   Good find! 

What general region of the country are you in, and what general region of Craig's List did you search to find that?

BTW, if I recall correctly, those require an AC/DC transformer (I may be wrong, check the docs).  If it is not included in the box, wait until you have found the correct output value for it in proper documentation, so you don't guess wrong and fry something.
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: paul-f on October 11, 2011, 10:07:51 AM
The unit is line powered.

Lots of info here:
  http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php?searchword=880&ordering=&searchphrase=all&Itemid=1&option=com_search
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: LarryInMichigan on October 11, 2011, 10:16:27 AM
Great find!  Brinybay is becoming the west coast craigslist version of Doug Rose :)  About the only the phones I find on craigslist are gaudy 1960s/1970s decorator phones for $300 and an occasional black 302 or 500 for $50.

Larry
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: Brinybay on October 11, 2011, 01:26:08 PM


Yeeps!  Holy cow!   Dude!   Good find!  

What general region of the country are you in, and what general region of Craig's List did you search to find that?


I'm in Seattle.  The seller was 10 minutes away from where I work on the east side (Kirkland, WA).


BTW, if I recall correctly, those require an AC/DC transformer (I may be wrong, check the docs).  If it is not included in the box, wait until you have found the correct output value for it in proper documentation, so you don't guess wrong and fry something.

I'll be careful.  I haven't looked at the docs yet, but if they were beyond my understanding, I was just going to hook up the phone only.



Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: Brinybay on October 11, 2011, 01:32:45 PM

Any chance of scanning the paperwork so I can put it in the library?

I have a scanner, that's entirely possible.  I attached them below.  The schematics actually open up as a "centerfold" which is too large for my scanner, so it was scanned in two parts.

I read the docs, they lost me.  I don't know if I need that external power supply they mentioned or not.
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: paul-f on October 11, 2011, 02:36:17 PM
I read the docs, they lost me.  I don't know if I need that external power supply they mentioned or not.

From TB-470-916  section  2.3.3, it appears that you should not need a power supply unless your line doesn't provide enough loop current to power the unit.

I've tested dozens on 880s using a standard POTS line and used several testers and line simulators without needing a power supply.  It's worth a try.
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: stub on October 11, 2011, 02:56:07 PM
Brinybay,
             Just hook your 10 conductor cord up like this- green, yellow and blue together and hook to line 1 , then connect together the red and the Brown/green  to line 2  or vise-versa.  No power supply needed to operate the phone. This is for a POTS line.
             When you push the on and off switch to ON, with handset in cradle, the switch will flash every 3 or 4 seconds to remind you that the phone is off-hook. If it doesn't flash reverse your line in wires and it should start working.  Hope this helps.   stub
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: Brinybay on October 11, 2011, 03:07:48 PM
Other interesting tidbits - Seller said he acquired it from a relative who used to be a Bell System employee (gotta love those retired Bell employees!)  It was also left over from a yard sale he had a couple weeks ago.  Can't wait for next spring and summer for the yard sales to heat up again!
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: GG on October 12, 2011, 12:15:31 PM

The Bell *never* used AE equipment, so either a) a Bell employee managed to get hold of this via someone at GTE for his own use but never bothered to hook it up, or b) the person worked for GTE or some other independent telco that used AE. 

Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: teka-bb on October 12, 2011, 07:15:39 PM

Any chance of scanning the paperwork so I can put it in the library?

I have a scanner, that's entirely possible.  I attached them below.  The schematics actually open up as a "centerfold" which is too large for my scanner, so it was scanned in two parts.

I read the docs, they lost me.  I don't know if I need that external power supply they mentioned or not.

Thanks Brinybay

I've added the document to the library:
http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=4575&Itemid=2 (http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=4575&Itemid=2)

If possible could you also scan the other document please? Thank you.

Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: Brinybay on October 12, 2011, 09:07:32 PM

The Bell *never* used AE equipment, so either a) a Bell employee managed to get hold of this via someone at GTE for his own use but never bothered to hook it up, or b) the person worked for GTE or some other independent telco that used AE. 


I think he may have said "worked for the phone company".
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: liteamorn on October 12, 2011, 09:25:43 PM
Wow, what a find!! Craigslist in my area is sparse at best when it comes to phones.
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: AE_Collector on October 13, 2011, 01:18:32 AM
We think alike Stub! Before I ever got to your post I read the codes on the box and said to myself "Crap, it's a white one too! Only way to have a real nice white one is if it is still NIB" Then I saw that it was actually black and that the codes on the base of the phone are correct for black. Color 00 black rather than 19 white. Then I saw your post commenting exactly the same as I was thinking! Good thing it wasn't color code 11 on the box or I would still be hyper ventilting without having seen that it was really black! Or how about color 16!!! (never made one officially)

I think you missed a wire in the cord there Stub. Should be Green & Yellow & Brown-Red for tip <edit: blue not Brown-Red> and Red & Brown-Green for Ring. At least that is how I always saw it done.

As for tranformers, an optional extra if it is line powered off of a 24 VDC phone system. If a 48 VDC system, no power required.

Darned Nice Score Briny

Terry
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: stub on October 13, 2011, 01:47:12 AM
Terry,
         That is the way my black one is wired .Here's the old drawing I had to go by. Still sanding the black speaker case. Thanks, that maybe why the flasher won't work on this one. The 11 is still being worked on ! I think a 15 would look nice too? Man, I bet a clear one would look GOOD.  
         Good score Briny 8)        stub
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: AE_Collector on October 13, 2011, 02:14:59 AM
Just studied the schematic a bit. It is actually the blue lead that should be with green and yellow, not brown red  As the notes on your schematic say the blue is associated with power but if there is no power supply it looks to be hooked directly to the line.

Never thought of a clear 880. I would think the piecs would be straight forward.

Terry
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: Brinybay on October 14, 2011, 12:25:29 PM

Thanks Brinybay

I've added the document to the library:
http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=4575&Itemid=2 (http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=4575&Itemid=2)

If possible could you also scan the other document please? Thank you.

Here it is, sorry for the delay.
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: AE_Collector on October 18, 2011, 02:27:47 AM
I just posted what you should do in your other thread AE 880. Here is a copy of that post.

Terry

So you can either connect the required leads together and hook to a modular set cord or replace the existing cord with a modular cord but you will have to strap several terminals together inside the phone with this option. It is usually preferable t okeep the proper cord and modify the end so that you can plug it in.

The best way would be to get one of the little box like surface mout jacks and screw the appropriate cord leads to the screw terminals inside the jack and then plug in a "modular to modular" cord into this jack and the other end into the wall jack. This way you don't dmage the existing phone cord.

Terry
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: teka-bb on October 18, 2011, 10:54:21 AM
Here it is, sorry for the delay.

Thank you, it's now in the library.
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: Brinybay on November 07, 2011, 05:32:36 PM
A view of the internals.  The dial was noticeably sluggish, so I was going to try to lube it in place, but it seemed to loosen up on it's own after a few spins of the dial.  It may still need to be lubed, but I want to do it w/o having to remove and disassemble, I don't think it's necessary to do that since it's new.  Where are the proper lube points on this dial?
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: Phonesrfun on November 07, 2011, 06:29:18 PM
Hi Greg:

Do not lube the inside of the governor barrel. A little drop of light machine oil like 3-in one on the worm gear, but not even a drop.  Put a drop on a wooden toothpick and then transfer less than a drop to the worm gear.  The same with the base end (not the governor end) of the worm gear shaft where it fits into the brass bushing.

The oiling of the main dial shaft would need to be performed by taking the dial apart and doing it from the inside.  Not recommended unless all else fails.  Actually, if all else fails, there is Always Steve Hilsz.
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: teka-bb on November 07, 2011, 06:38:58 PM

This may help:

http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=70&Itemid=2 (http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=70&Itemid=2)

See page 19.
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: GG on November 08, 2011, 06:04:39 AM


Agreed on all points.  Also, the point of contact between the main drive gear (the one with the ratchet) and the surface in which it turns, is also good for a tiny drop of 3-in-1 oil.  As well, the points in which the shaft containing the small driven gear, the odd gear that drives the worm, and the pulse cam: there are two points in there that could do for a tiny droplet of oil.  When reassembling, take care to get the pulse cam in the right position, though in a pinch you can loosen the nut that holds it, and rotate it to the right position, and then re-tighten the nut.

When I get AE dials that aren't quite right I just take them completely apart, clean all the surfaces, and put them back together adding a tiny bit of oil here and there as I go.  Anyone can learn to do AE dials in their sleep, they really are very easy to completely disassemble and reassemble. 
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: Brinybay on November 08, 2011, 02:35:42 PM
Hi Greg:

Do not lube the inside of the governor barrel. A little drop of light machine oil like 3-in one on the worm gear, but not even a drop.  Put a drop on a wooden toothpick and then transfer less than a drop to the worm gear.  The same with the base end (not the governor end) of the worm gear shaft where it fits into the brass bushing.

The oiling of the main dial shaft would need to be performed by taking the dial apart and doing it from the inside.  Not recommended unless all else fails.  Actually, if all else fails, there is Always Steve Hilsz.

Worm gear - the shaft with the corkscrew type threads on it?
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: Phonesrfun on November 08, 2011, 04:33:18 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: Brinybay on March 03, 2018, 11:30:24 PM
I just posted what you should do in your other thread AE 880. Here is a copy of that post.

Terry

So you can either connect the required leads together and hook to a modular set cord or replace the existing cord with a modular cord but you will have to strap several terminals together inside the phone with this option. It is usually preferable t okeep the proper cord and modify the end so that you can plug it in.

The best way would be to get one of the little box like surface mout jacks and screw the appropriate cord leads to the screw terminals inside the jack and then plug in a "modular to modular" cord into this jack and the other end into the wall jack. This way you don't dmage the existing phone cord.

Terry

Hard to believe this was over 6 years ago (or maybe not), but I'm going to try hooking this up.  Many times I'll use my smart phone or the modern cordless handset from my wife's desk when I'm making a call at my computer because they have a speaker mode and I prefer to have my hands free to jot things down, so why not hook up the 880? 

Only problem is you guys have me confused on which wires get wrapped around each other.  I need a "final answer" so I can mount them in a biscuit adapter and fire this puppy up.
Title: Re: Craigslist find #2, NIB AE Type 880 Executive Model Speakerphone.
Post by: AE_Collector on March 04, 2018, 12:01:09 AM
Yeah... I canít imagine why you are confused after rereading the Thread! :)

I remember this topic like it was yesterday....yesterday 2011.

Try just green with yellow for tip and red for ring. I didnít think the other two leads were needed anyway but I may be wrong. Not likely to damage anything so if that doesnít work (and ring...a tweeter sound out of the speaker with a volume control under the speaker enclosure ...use a little screw driver to adjust it) try adding the other leads that Stub and me were discussing. The old biscuit jack would be ideal to do this in.

Terry