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Re: Date ranges for WE Parts
« Reply #165 on: June 29, 2016, 07:01:54 PM »

Found a 302 dated S-11-44 with S-11-44 ringer,  S-IV-44 IND, 4-44 5H, S11/44 F1 unit,
S 10-24-44 HA1, 94 [9/44] solid F1 handle.

WECo 302/304 parts dates with prefixes or suffixes.


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Year         


S
(St. Paul MN ?)

H
(Hawthorne ?)   

I
(Indianapolis ?)

A
(Aluminum base)

1944S-12-44 base, ringerr
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Re: Date ranges for WE Parts
« Reply #166 on: June 29, 2016, 08:15:26 PM »
Found a 302 dated S-11-44 with S-11-44 ringer,  S-IV-44 IND, 4-44 5H, S11/44 F1 unit,
S 10-24-44 HA1, 94 [9/44] solid F1 handle.


Thanks, recorded.   What kind of inscription does the F1 handle have?  Long format (''... manufactured ...'')  or short (... made ...) ?

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Re: Date ranges for WE Parts
« Reply #167 on: June 29, 2016, 09:12:38 PM »
"Manufactured by"
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Re: Date ranges for WE Parts
« Reply #168 on: June 29, 2016, 09:56:36 PM »
One more question, does it have separate terminal screws for BK and R cord spades?
In my tables, it is either a type 3 or 4 handset, depending on the number of screws in the transmitter cavity.
The latest No. 3 I have recorded so far is 7/45 ("75"), while the latest No. 4 is 6/41 ("61")

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Re: Date ranges for WE Parts
« Reply #169 on: June 29, 2016, 10:33:10 PM »
No separate screws for the spade tips.
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Re: Date ranges for WE Parts
« Reply #170 on: June 30, 2016, 04:04:13 PM »
Found the earliest date on a part with marking "I", among my subscriber sets, a 634A with an induction coil of Q2 1949.


The table of  component markings with S, H, I, and A takes more and more a form of clean separation of features into years.

S markings 1944 to Q1 1947,  H markings only on dials in 1946,  aluminum bases (A markings) only in 1947 and 1948, and I markings starting in early or mid 1949 to end of 1952.
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Re: Date ranges for WE Parts
« Reply #171 on: July 23, 2016, 02:11:03 PM »
3-49-I 302 with 101A dated I 49 I:
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IV-36 G1 handset mounting
« Reply #172 on: July 29, 2016, 12:56:27 PM »
I found what appears to be a sample of the first year of manufacturing of the G1 handset mounting, certainly the earliest I have seen, as well as recorded here.

It is dated IV 36, but was well refurbished several times, including in 12-54 with date stamps next to the original date, and on the dial.

I believe the earliest BSPs for the G1 are also dated in 1936.

As shown in the picture, the unit also has a No. 61A filter, dated III 48, with a copper clamp holding it to the main rib of switch assembly. I suppose, the combination of a 61A with the clamp is called a No. 61M. Never knew, until now, just how the filter was mounted in these.

The earliest listing in the tables here, was I-37.   (http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=11422.msg125730#msg125730)
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Re: Date ranges for WE Parts
« Reply #173 on: July 29, 2016, 01:19:11 PM »
C32.104, Issue 1, 9-15-36:
 
The table lists 211s are shown with 4H-type dials and E1B-3 handsets. (Odd, since E1E handsets were available by 1935.)

No distinction in the hand telephone set assembly codes for sidetone vs. anti-sidetone for 211s.
"The earlier 101 type hand telephone sets are not listed as they are the same as the 201 type."

[On the earliest sets, "G1" is stamped on the back of the housing, rather than below the cradle.]
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Re: Date ranges for WE Parts
« Reply #174 on: July 29, 2016, 01:34:44 PM »

On the earliest sets, "G1" is stamped on the back of the housing, rather than below the cradle.

Indeed the housing has "G1" punched just below the mounting cord exit, rather than the cradle side--picture added to previous post.

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Re: Date ranges for WE Parts
« Reply #175 on: July 29, 2016, 06:56:51 PM »
I see that you are tracking the location of the type marking ("G1").

II-40 with 41A has "G1" located on the cradle side.
I think we had other sets from the 1930s on the forum.

Do you have the Issue 1 of BSP C32.104 in PDF or image form?



PS: This IV-37 G1 shows the new location already:  http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=11422.msg130342#msg130342
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Re: Date ranges for WE Parts
« Reply #176 on: July 29, 2016, 08:09:05 PM »
I see that you are tracking the location of the type marking ("G1").

II-40 with 41A has "G1" located on the cradle side.

Is that an all-dates-matching set?

I think we had other sets from the 1930s on the forum.
Do you have the Issue 1 of BSP C32.104 in PDF or image form?

No.

PS: This IV-37 G1 shows the new location already:  http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=11422.msg130342#msg130342
Unfortunately, that phone does not have all matching dates; so, the housing may have been updated.
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Re: Date ranges for WE Parts
« Reply #177 on: July 30, 2016, 06:11:47 AM »
Is that an all-dates-matching set?

No.
Unfortunately, that phone does not have all matching dates; so, the housing may have been updated.

It is matched with dial and handset, but the consumables (cord and number plate) are replaced.

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Re: Date ranges for WE Parts
« Reply #178 on: July 30, 2016, 06:51:25 AM »
C32.104, Issue 1, 9-15-36:
 
211s are shown with 4H-type dials and E1B-3 handsets. (Odd, since E1E handsets were available by 1935.)

Is it just "shown" with an E1B handset or explicitly listed in that BSP?  Even in the 1950s, some BSPs covering G-mountings still showed E1 handset, despite listing F handsets.
The BSPs don't always reflect actually used equipment, IMHO, old drawings are used at times.

I would say the G was designed with the new handset in mind, but like for the 302, they had to wait for availability. However, it does seem that the early cradles seem to fit the E handset shape a little smother than an F handset.

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No distinction in the hand telephone set assembly codes for sidetone vs. anti-sidetone for 211s.
This late, I doubt there was any interest or concern in making new sidetone instruments.  Sidetone sets were only installed again during the war period when no other equipment was available.
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Re: Date ranges for WE Parts
« Reply #179 on: August 05, 2016, 03:52:27 PM »
While on the topic of 211 telephones...

Does anyone have one with a G3A–3 or G3AR–3 (back plastic) handset that is dated before 1963 ?
Such sets should have a chromium handset cradle switch hook.

BSP C38.323 i2 of May 1959 claims they are used on 211-L,M,N,P and 212-L and M sets.

Have any been found or did they use a G1A instead?

BSP C38.377 Issue 1, 8/1957 (211 J,L) did not mention G-type handsets, while C38.343 also of 8/1957 lists the G1A handset on G6 mountings for the 211-J,L for use with a 685A subset.  212-types didn't use G handsets either in 1957.

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