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Offline DoubleTone

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AE Instruction card scan request
« on: October 05, 2015, 09:57:13 PM »
I've searched the web and cannot find a copy of the AE LPB 86-10 payphone instruction card.  The card I have is in poor shape (as you can see).  Does anyone have this card and time to scan it and post the scan here?  Thanks for any help.

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Re: AE Instruction card scan request
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2015, 12:19:01 AM »
I've been able to clean up some scans before. I don't have a good one to scan, but I'll be glad to fool around with the one you posted and see if I can make it look presentable. This one's quite a bit rougher than the ones I've done before though, but I'll give it a shot tomorrow.
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Re: AE Instruction card scan request
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2015, 01:55:04 AM »
Thanks very much for the offer. If you'd like the better, original scan, I'll send it to you.

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Re: AE Instruction card scan request
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2015, 09:27:19 AM »
Here's what I could do. It's not perfect, but it's the best I can do with the condition of that original.

EDIT: If I get a chance this weekend I may be able to clean this up further.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2015, 02:55:35 PM by mentalstampede »
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Re: AE Instruction card scan request
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2015, 12:46:21 PM »
You have done a great job, hard to make a fake of similar quality, and still its fake...
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Re: AE Instruction card scan request
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2015, 12:57:25 PM »
Here is one from my first AE Pay phone - it was protected under a replacement card, and I scanned it directly from the original.
Yous best choice would be to download the PDF file, as it will print out in the correct size. Print out in colour on photo quality paper...

Note: This is for/from an AE LPB 82 55 Pre-pay phone. Not suitable for a Post-pay phone.
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Re: AE Instruction card scan request
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2015, 07:31:42 PM »
The 82-55 scans are nice, and I wish they were right for the phone, but the 82-10 requires a dime only.  That's reason for the card's loud announcement about nickels not working.  Does someone have an explanation for this limitation?  I haven't dug into the phone's mechanisms yet, and the AE doc for the LPB 86-xx doesn't explain the purpose for what seems like a surprising limitation.  I assume a design limitation like this one had some purpose.

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Re: AE Instruction card scan request
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2015, 03:10:22 AM »
I assume AE must have had customers that wanted that option, although it doesn't make sense to me.

In any case, the -10 phones have a special relay operating a nickel rejector mechanism that would activate when battery reversed that would cause any nickel deposited to be tripped out into the coin return. This allows for dime-only local service, but the user is still able to use nickels for operator-assisted calls. This mechanism replaces the microswitch assembly and restoring relay that serves to count the nickels on the -55 series. I can't for the life of me guess why a telco might want to prevent people using two nickels instead of one dime, but obviously somebody wanted the feature.
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Re: AE Instruction card scan request
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2015, 08:02:03 AM »
Your LPB 86-10 is a Semi-postpay phone. You dial then pay. The LPB 82s are Prepay - you have to pay prior to dialing. Different animals, so the calling and pay method differs.

Here is a run-down of the different types:

PREPAY –
LPA 82 & 92
LPB 82, LPC 72 & 82

LOCAL PREPAY –
LPA 89 & 99
LPC 79 & 89

SEMI-POSTPAY –
LPA 86 & 96
LPB 86
LPC 76 & 86, 60

POSTPAY –
LPA 88 & 94 & 99
LPB 84 & 88

However, I posted the LBB 82-55 card for those with prepay phones that might need a card.

I was quite surprised when I found this unused card under the later instruction card in the phone. My phone was completely original when I got it, and it appears it came from the factory with it, and then the operator added their own card over it, protecting the original inadvertently.

Dave

The 82-55 scans are nice, and I wish they were right for the phone, but the 82-10 requires a dime only.  That's reason for the card's loud announcement about nickels not working.  Does someone have an explanation for this limitation?  I haven't dug into the phone's mechanisms yet, and the AE doc for the LPB 86-xx doesn't explain the purpose for what seems like a surprising limitation.  I assume a design limitation like this one had some purpose.
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Re: AE Instruction card scan request
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2015, 10:47:25 AM »
Stan Schreier has weighed in on an email to me this morning. He isn't a member of the forum, but does watch some of the posts (especially those regarding payphones - his specialty):

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" There was a good reason for this.  Dime was used on post-pay 3-slots only.  Since post-pay meant that the called party had already answered the phone BEFORE the coins were deposited, the phone companies were afraid that if nickels were used it would take too long to fumble with two nickels before depositing them.  Depositing the first nickel wouldn't be a problem.  Holding two nickels and depositing them with one hand required a certain amount of physical dexterity. The called party would be saying hello, hello, and hear nothing.  Eventually the called party would hang-up while the calling party would be trying to find the second nickel that probably dropped on the ground, in the dark, in the rain."

A copy of Stan's dime only Post-pay instruction card is linked below in PDF.
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Re: AE Instruction card scan request
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2015, 03:04:24 PM »
. . .  hard to make a fake of similar quality, and still its fake...

Yes, so true. Actually, using Photoshop or some other similar image software, this card can be re-created even better than  the original when it was new in that the lines will be crisp, solid and uniform in color, as will the yellow box. Too good, actually. The ink when applied to the paper makes lines and letters and colored boxes textured, if you will, in that the letters are not pure, uniform black but show "rough" edges and white spots from valleys in the paper. One can create the same effect but with a great expense of time and then it would, as you say, still be a fake.
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Re: AE Instruction card scan request
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2015, 07:29:51 PM »
Stan's explanation makes sense, and I thank him for taking the time to offer it.  And mentalstampede's transformation of the original--I wish I had the same skill.

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Re: AE Instruction card scan request
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2015, 05:55:02 AM »
I am hoping others will add their AE payphone card scans to this thread, thus making it a repository of AE card scans. Likewise, Hopefully in the other payphone topics, such as WE and AE phones, we can create a similar topic, where people could find suitable scans for their phone.

One note: Scans are best done in PDF format - that way, they retain their size. JPG scan's don't include size information, but TIF and several other formats do. Print cards from a PDF file out in colour on mat or glossy ink jet photo paper, depending upon which you desire. These photo papers allow the ink to bleed just the right amount, to give them an accurate, original look, and are very close to the original thickness of paper.

The only thing about non-PDF formats, is you will have to adjust the size manually when you print them out.
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Re: AE Instruction card scan request
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2015, 02:23:19 PM »
I am hoping others will add their AE payphone card scans to this thread, thus making it a repository of AE card scans. Likewise, Hopefully in the other payphone topics, such as WE and AE phones, we can create a similar topic, where people could find suitable scans for their phone.

One note: Scans are best done in PDF format - that way, they retain their size. JPG scan's don't include size information, but TIF and several other formats do. Print cards from a PDF file out in colour on mat or glossy ink jet photo paper, depending upon which you desire. These photo papers allow the ink to bleed just the right amount, to give them an accurate, original look, and are very close to the original thickness of paper.

I don't have them in PDF, but here's some from my brother's LPC-82-55 Pre-Pay, plus a basic top flag. I don't know if these are original AE cards or telco produced, but they look nice.  I second the printing on inkjek photo-paper; they look BETTER printed than they do on the computer. These are appropriate for any late-model pre-pay AE 3-slot.
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Re: AE Instruction card scan request
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2015, 02:42:17 PM »
Sonny has some original prepay AE cards, part #P-51536:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/262044452896
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