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Western Electric Candlestick - Dial #1 ???
« on: April 13, 2016, 02:08:22 PM »
Look at this candlestick that just sold - I couldn't have missed it by more than a few seconds.  Unless my eyes are going bad, that appears to be a #1 dial.

#1 dial

Hope it was someone here that got it!  $65
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Re: Western Electric Candlestick - Dial #1 ???
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2016, 02:28:17 PM »
looks like it to me. that 3 prong card assy will be difficult to replace

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Re: Western Electric Candlestick - Dial #1 ???
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2016, 02:39:37 PM »
Sure looks like it.   The finger stop has the word "STOP" embossed and the quoted patent date of 1915 is for the Forsberg patent.  120 degree anchoring tabs for the instruction cover plate.
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Re: Western Electric Candlestick - Dial #1 ???
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2016, 03:42:56 PM »
The patent info on the rim states:

PAT. IN U.S.A. NOV 20 15
DES. PAT. APP. FOR

This places the vintage of this dial between Nov 20, 1915 and May 7, 1918, the dates of issue for the two patents. Both patents were applied for in 1915.

US 1161854 1915 1915 Forsberg WECo--Calling Device
US  D52009 1918 1915 Forsberg WECo--Design for a Calling Device


I wonder what that means for the manufacturing date and type of the stick itself.  The perch appears to be stamped with "50 AL", but WECo sources always pinpoint the introduction of the unit to 1919, at which time it was probably already equipped with a No. 2 dial.
The transmitter is a 323, which came out in 1917.
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Re: Western Electric Candlestick - Dial #1 ???
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2016, 03:58:07 PM »
yes, I noticed that the dial didn't seem correct for a candlestick.  The dial also seems to have issues, so my guess is that someone stuck the dial on the candlestick for a quick sale on ebay and didn't realize the value of the dial.  Even if it's broken, it's worth much more than $65.

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Re: Western Electric Candlestick - Dial #1 ???
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2016, 04:18:51 PM »
I doubt it was just stuck on the stick because it did not have a dial. Look underneath the front of the dial at the rim of the base,no patent dates here. The older sticks had the dates at the back or in the side.Mine is on the back and the last date is 1918.I would think that dial most likely belongs on the set .Excellent deal for someone.

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Re: Western Electric Candlestick - Dial #1 ???
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2016, 04:40:40 PM »
I'm sure you're right!  Anyway, would like to see a #1 up close.
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Re: Western Electric Candlestick - Dial #1 ???
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2016, 04:53:06 PM »
The dial may not be broken.  It may just need cleaning and oiling.

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Re: Western Electric Candlestick - Dial #1 ???
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2016, 05:24:18 PM »
I doubt it was just stuck on the stick because it did not have a dial. Look underneath the front of the dial at the rim of the base,no patent dates here. The older sticks had the dates at the back or in the side.Mine is on the back and the last date is 1918.I would think that dial most likely belongs on the set .Excellent deal for someone.

The No. 50 desk stand patent was granted on JAN 1, 1918.

What other patent dates are on the early 50s?

As possible candidates found on desk stands, I have:
PAT IN USA  AUG 16 04,  SEPT 13 04,  JAN 26 15,  JAN 1 18
PAT IN USA  SEPT 13 04,  JAN 26 15,  JAN 1 18,  MAY 7 18
PAT IN USA JAN 26 15, JAN 1 18, MAY 7 18, SEPT 21 20

JAN 26 15: (multiple patent exist for this date, about telephone systems, the most likely)
JAN 1 18: US1251995 1918 1916 Forsberg WECo--Telephone Desk Stand (50AL)
MAY 7 18: USD52010 1918 1915 Forsberg WECo--Desk Telephone Stand (50AL design)
MAY 7 18: USD52009 1918 1915 Forsberg WECo--Design for a Calling Device (No.1 dial)
SEPT 21 20 US1353612 1920 1918 Reeves WECo--Telephone-Exchange System (50AL circuit)

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Re: Western Electric Candlestick - Dial #1 ???
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2016, 05:59:23 PM »
My older one with patents on back most likely has the patents in the middle row.

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Re: Western Electric Candlestick - Dial #1 ???
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2016, 06:29:58 PM »
Here is Gary Goff's #1. Wasn't there recently a #2 on the Forum from Jeff lamb that had stop on the fingerstop?
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Re: Western Electric Candlestick - Dial #1 ???
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2016, 07:05:16 PM »
Here is Gary Goff's #1. Wasn't there recently a #2 on the Forum from Jeff lamb that had stop on the fingerstop?
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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2016, 09:00:40 PM »
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I've come across several 2AG dials with "STOP" written on the finger stop. Those dials are from 1920 or 1921 and I wondered if some of them might be, if not refurbished #1 dials, using parts that were originally intended for the #1 dial.
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Re: Western Electric Candlestick - Dial #1 ???
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2016, 04:26:15 PM »
I asked the seller for more pictures, which she sent today. The dial is stamped "1A" on the back, in the same way that "2A" was stamped next to the governor on the early 2A dials. Seller says that the number plate does rotate with the dial, another feature of the 1A. Note that some of the terminal designations have been restamped.
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Re: Western Electric Candlestick - Dial #1 ???
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2016, 04:49:35 PM »
Interesting.  Was there ever a #3 dial?

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Re: Western Electric Candlestick - Dial #1 ???
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2016, 05:16:43 PM »
Given the stark contrast in state of corrosion between the dial and the desk stand, it does seem unlikely that the dial is original to the stick.

The only aspect that is new on this 1A type, is the overstriking of terminal names. I am not aware of a dial with an RR terminal, originally.
The 1A could have been punched when the change was made, so the dial could have been another type originally.  However, it does have the identical patent marking of some other 1A dials.

It is too bad that the screw cover on the front is missing.