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Offline Babybearjs

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Arrow Staplers and Staples
« on: May 16, 2017, 06:25:29 PM »
I was given a Arrow T-75 Stapler last summer by a retired telco worker and was told that she couldn't find the proper staples for it. I looked online and the stapler is still made BUT the horse shoe staples for the 25 pair cable are not available online. Does anyone know if the staples are still available? I can find staples for the stapler but they are the regular staples and not U shaped. I also have the T-18 Stapler and am going to need staples for it also.... any Ideas as where to look.... Both Home Depot and Lowes only carry the T-50 staples.
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Re: Arrow Staplers and Staples
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2017, 06:50:38 PM »
John   ....   I can't point you at a particular retailer, but FYI, Stanley also make round staples for Arrow products.     You might try Ace as well.

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Re: Arrow Staplers and Staples
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2017, 06:57:17 PM »
John   ....     Check Amazon.com.    They carry a selection of round staples for Arrow products.

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Re: Arrow Staplers and Staples
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2017, 07:20:07 PM »
T-18 Stapler:

"The T18 Genuine Arrow Staples are specialist round-crown staples for nailing telephone and low-voltage cables. Made from quality steel material, it ensures your stapling is strong and long-lasting first time, every time. Available in 10mm (3/8″) and 11mm (7/16″) sizes with a rounded crown width of 5mm, and also available in monel material for marine applications."

They were  made in two lengths:

#187 - 7/16"     https://www.amazon.com/Arrow-Fastener-187-Genuine-000-Pack/dp/B0000BYD8Q
                         grainger.com

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#186 -  3/8"      specialized.net

"Arrow T18 staples, 3/8" (10 mm) long x 3/16" (5 mm) wide round crown style, box/1000 are used with the arrow T18 staple gun and are ideal for telephone wire; CATV RG6, RG7, RG11 and RG59 coax abd datacom CAT5 and CAT6 cable installation. Arrow T18 staples are made of .050" wire and have a 3/16" wide round crown style with a capacity for wires up to 3/16" in diameter. Arrow T18 staples are sold 1000 per box. Monel rust-proof staples are also available."

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T-25 Staples:

"T25 staples feature a round crown design that secures wires without damaging them. The leading choice for low voltage wire applications, the T25 staple is an absolute boss when installing garage door openers, thermostat wire, doorbell wire, alarm systems, and much more. Also works great on computer, CAT5/CAT6. RG6/RG9, COAX and phone cables. All Arrow T25 staples are made under strict quality controls at our Saddle Brook, NJ manufacturing plant."

#256 - 3/8"       HomeDepot

#257 - 7/16"     Amazon

#259 - 9/16"     HomeDepot
                         https://www.amazon.com/Arrow-Fastener-259-Genuine-000-Pack/dp/B00004Z2HR


Arrow where to buy site:  https://www.arrowfastener.com/fastener-category/staple/t25/
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Re: Arrow Staplers and Staples
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2017, 08:52:03 PM »
Are you certain that the T75 is made for rounded staples like the T18 & T25? I sort of thought the T50 and T75 used square staples but I am not certain that there wasn't a rounded head staple version.

Either way the particular staple gun would be made to handle round or square staples, not either type.

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Re: Arrow Staplers and Staples
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2017, 09:53:16 PM »
Are you certain that the T75 is made for rounded staples like the T18 & T25? I sort of thought the T50 and T75 used square staples but I am not certain that there wasn't a rounded head staple version.

Either way the particular staple gun would be made to handle round or square staples, not either type.

You seem to be correct on that Terry. I could not find round staples for the T-75 stapler, only heavy duty square head staples.

The T-18 and T-25 would only work with round headed staples (the die that drives the staple must match the staple head).

The T-18 and T-25 are also indicated for low voltage wire applications so the spring would match that application so as to not cut the round wire.

The T-75 has a flat heat to tack something down flat such as upholstery, sheathing, join thin wood, etc.

Tools for different applications.
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Re: Arrow Staplers and Staples
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Re: Arrow Staplers and Staples
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2017, 10:59:13 AM »
The T-75 has a flat top which would crimp a round wire. The T-25 and T-18 have a round top which would cradle a round wire.
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Re: Arrow Staplers and Staples
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2017, 02:42:57 PM »
Not sure what you mean by "crimp a round wire." The T75 (the "75" refers to its "caliber" of 3/4ths of an inch) is specifically designed to fasten 25-pair key system cable. Cable is not wire. When properly used, it does not crimp the cable. The cable is resilient enough, with its 50 conductors, to conform to the shape of the staple.

I have fastened several hundred miles of 25-pair cable in my career, and the only time there was a mishap was when I fastened the web of my left thumb to a baseboard. The flesh conformed to the shape of the staple. It was not a pleasant experience.

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Re: Arrow Staplers and Staples
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2017, 04:22:34 PM »
I can usually find a wide variety of staples at ACE Hardware.
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Re: Arrow Staplers and Staples
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2017, 04:27:01 PM »
Are you sure about T75 staples?I had a T37 for coax

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Re: Arrow Staplers and Staples
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2017, 05:19:56 PM »
Thanks for all the input. were the T-75 staples always square?  didn't they have the U shaped staples in that size?
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Re: Arrow Staplers and Staples
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2017, 06:16:15 PM »
Not sure what you mean by "crimp a round wire." The T75 (the "75" refers to its "caliber" of 3/4ths of an inch) is specifically designed to fasten 25-pair key system cable. Cable is not wire. When properly used, it does not crimp the cable. The cable is resilient enough, with its 50 conductors, to conform to the shape of the staple.

Sure, a T-75 staple would work on 25 pair with less risk that a Cat5e or thinner "wire/cable." I just look at it as a guillotine when it comes to round wire pushing down on the wire and flattening it out where stapled, and possibly breaking it or part of it. On the plus side, it crimps down the wire to it can not or does not slide under the staple.

The T-25 and T-18 round staples "cradle" the top of the wire placing less pressure on the crown, the part of the wire where the staple first touches the wire upon impact.

The T-25 and T-18 are made round to encompass the wire while holding it in place on a flat surface. The T-25 wire is intended to secure a flat object to a flat surface.

I'm sure both would work in holding a round wire to a surface. It's just that they make a special staple and stapler to hold round wires. Same reason they make "U-bolts" to hold pipe in place and other types of devices to hold wire in place, temporarily or permanently.

It seems the trade off is the amount of pressure applied by the gun and the ability of the cable to withstand that pressure without damage. When using a hammer to place a staple, one can stop when contact is made with the wire. That option does not exist with a gun. Just seems a flat top staple would be a bit more risky than a round top staple when using a gun.

Boils down to what a company or person wants to use to install a cable run, a lot of options out there.
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