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Japanese or Chinese Candlestick Telephone
« on: September 05, 2017, 08:32:35 PM »
Can anyone translate this label on my candlestick telephone?
« Last Edit: September 09, 2017, 08:07:01 PM by wds »
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Re: Japanese or Chinese Candlestick Telephone
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2017, 09:17:27 PM »
Can anyone translate this label on my candlestick telephone?

I am told that these are "Traditional Chinese" characters.
Many Chinese immigrants in the late 19th century to the US preferred them, before simplified characters were adopted or standardized.
Modern learners of Chinese can't read them, as is the case for my source.

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Re: Japanese or Chinese Candlestick Telephone
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2017, 07:47:48 AM »
I've tried the google translator for Japanese and Chinese and neither one yielded any valid responses. 
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Re: Japanese or Chinese Candlestick Telephone
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2017, 08:17:48 AM »
I found a Japanese telephone collector website. Of course it is in Japanese biut maybe you can use google translator to send a message??

http://www.naonao.jp/
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Re: Japanese or Chinese Candlestick Telephone
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2017, 09:52:27 AM »
My smartphone set to chinese mode comes up with "Tokyo" and "Meeting of the group of people with gas", which kind of seems a bit odd if that's right........  ;D

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Re: Japanese or Chinese Candlestick Telephone
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2017, 04:39:11 PM »
My smartphone set to chinese mode comes up with "Tokyo" and "Meeting of the group of people with gas", which kind of seems a bit odd if that's right........  ;D

That is one meeting that I would NOT want to attend ;)


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Re: Japanese or Chinese Candlestick Telephone
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2017, 05:52:31 PM »
thanks for the link.  I sent them an email and hopefully someone will reply.
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Re: Japanese or Chinese Candlestick Telephone
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2017, 07:16:21 PM »
That is one meeting that I would NOT want to attend ;)


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Same here, they probably need to have good ventilation...  ;D

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Re: Japanese or Chinese Candlestick Telephone
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2017, 04:06:49 PM »
If you have a translator that will show pictographs as a translation, you might try translating the words "electric" or "telephone"  that might give a clue.
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Re: Japanese or Chinese Candlestick Telephone
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2017, 07:10:04 PM »
Here's pictures of the candlestick.  The phone and receiver weighs in at 2 lb 4 oz.  Compared to a 20B that weighs in at 4 lb 5 oz with 122 ost.  The phone is so light that at first I thought maybe this was a toy phone.  The 122 ost weighs 14 oz, the Japanese receiver 9 oz.  I included a picture of the transmitter - I'm guessing that there should be carbon in the middle where the screw is.  The metal on the base and stem is very thin, not like a western electric candlestick. 

Western Electric had a majority ownership in Nippon Electric (NEC), and started exporting phones to China in 1904.  If the tag on this phone is Chinese, then maybe this is one of those sets that was exported. 

There is more writing on the side of the transmitter that I will take pictures of after I clean the phone up.
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Re: Japanese or Chinese Candlestick Telephone
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2017, 11:01:37 PM »
When I was playing with the translation thing, the words "gas", "electric", and "corporation" seemed to come up, but the top two characters were pretty unsure as they popped up as both Tokyo and as Beijing, two very different places in very different countries...

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Re: Japanese or Chinese Candlestick Telephone
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2017, 08:24:37 AM »
Tokyo Gas and Electric was a pretty big deal in that hemisphere until WWII put a damper on everything. They were known for making a little bit of everything (not unlike the US GE) across several industries. I would not be surprised if they made phones for export to China, as China had a fairly limited industrial capacity (and little "tech") in the 1900s until fairly recently (Thanks to Nixon and out-sourcing).
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Re: Japanese or Chinese Candlestick Telephone
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2017, 07:06:43 PM »
Here's a few pictures of the phone after I cleaned it up.  I see definite W.E. influence on the way the phone is assembled.  I also saw some GPO influence - the way the base plate fits on with a notch, and only one center screw in the base.  There was some writing on the edge of the transmitter, and the underside of the receiver arm.  I also updated the pictures of the tag on the base. 

The receiver and mouthpiece are a nice brown - I tried to install a W.E. mouthpiece, but the w.e. threads were too large.  Not off by much.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2017, 08:08:53 PM by wds »
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Re: Japanese or Chinese Candlestick Telephone
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2017, 09:32:38 PM »
I wouldn't have thought it could be made to look that nice.  Good work!
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Re: Japanese or Chinese Candlestick Telephone
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2017, 12:55:21 AM »
My smartphone set to chinese mode comes up with "Tokyo" and "Meeting of the group of people with gas", which kind of seems a bit odd if that's right........  ;D

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