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Offline dlleona

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1910 candlestick 5 wires to 425b
« on: March 12, 2018, 10:29:55 PM »
Looking for help for this garage sale find I've had for some time.

I thought I could get it to work however what I have is the phone with 5 cloth wires that were connected to a 1957 network/ringer 4235b.
Can someone point me in the right direction for wiring this thing? The phone seems original as it has 4 striped and 1 solid color cloth insulated wires with spade tips still attached.

Thanks,
Dale
« Last Edit: March 13, 2018, 10:29:00 PM by dlleona »

Offline rdelius

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Re: 1910 candlestick 5 wires to 425b
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2018, 11:13:04 PM »
The 1910 date implies part or all reproduction.Look for a diagram for a 150AL  to the 425b network

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Re: 1910 candlestick 5 wires to 425b
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2018, 02:23:18 PM »
That looks like a #6 dial, so good luck!
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Offline dlleona

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Re: 1910 candlestick 5 wires to 425b
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2018, 10:32:05 PM »
Here are some more pics.

Thx,
Dale

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Re: 1910 candlestick 5 wires to 425b
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2018, 11:27:57 PM »
That is definitely a reproduction
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Re: 1910 candlestick 5 wires to 425b
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2018, 01:02:11 AM »
you've got to remember, the dates stamped on the unit are NOT the production dates, but rather the PATENT dates.... 1910 was when the design was Patended!
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Re: 1910 candlestick 5 wires to 425b
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2018, 08:33:42 AM »
And there was  no Nov 1910 patent issued for this set. The patent would have  been if not changed was Nov 1892 for the solid back transmitter. You could build partial fakes with the reproducion parts

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Re: 1910 candlestick 5 wires to 425b
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2018, 02:53:51 PM »
Well that's a bummer finding out it is reproduction isn't it.
So, we have an old subset and a phone. Surely it can be made to work...
Take the bottom off and give us a photo of the wiring in the bottom.
At least it will give us a clue.
You will need the subscriber set ( network / ringer ) to make the phone work. It is half the phone.
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Offline dlleona

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Re: 1910 candlestick 5 wires to 425b
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2018, 09:59:59 PM »
I'm actually ok with the news that this is a replica but I'd love to get this thing to work.
When I bought it the sale included the 425B network/ringer however it was not wired.
So, I took some more pictures and what I have is 5 wires from the phone that connect to the network.
What I see is 2 striped orange wires, 1 going to the mouthpiece and 1 going to the earpiece and mouthpiece.
Then I have a solid brown wire to the mouthpiece.
One black striped wire going to the switch hook.
One white striped wire going thru the dial and then to the switch hook.

I'm need to know how that connects now to the 425B.

Thanks,
Dale


Offline Zunazet

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Re: 1910 candlestick 5 wires to 425b
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2018, 10:56:23 PM »
OK.
Looking at that mess in the phone base is giving me a headache.
So, Let's start with something easy.
On the Subset, the blue and yellow wires are hooked where the line goes in. So hook those up to your phone line and see if it rings. Or if your other phones stop working or have any other l problems. If all goes well it won't cause any problem and will ring when receiving a call.


Then break out the soldering iron and desolder everything in the phone base. Solder should not be needed when properly assembled.
Also, are there 3 wires coming out of the neck of the phone or 4?
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Offline dlleona

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Re: 1910 candlestick 5 wires to 425b
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2018, 11:57:32 AM »
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Re: 1910 candlestick 5 wires to 425b
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2018, 02:07:13 PM »
Good.
2 wires should go to the microphone and two to the hook switch.




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Re: 1910 candlestick 5 wires to 425b
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2018, 05:51:58 PM »
I'm actually ok with the news that this is a replica what I have is 5 wires from the phone that connect to the network.
What I see is 2 striped orange wires, 1 going to the mouthpiece and 1 going to the earpiece and mouthpiece.
Then I have a solid brown wire to the mouthpiece.
One black striped wire going to the switch hook.
One white striped wire going thru the dial and then to the switch hook.

I'm need to know how that connects now to the 425B.


Sorry i completely misses that post.
Looks like you have it pretty well figured out.
I will try to find and post the diagram you need




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Re: 1910 candlestick 5 wires to 425b
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2018, 11:09:09 PM »
Is this a 6A dial? If it is instead a 6T, 6U, or F----- dial, then you would short the receiver rather than open it during dialing.

The receiver connects to GN on network    (through the 5-conductor cord).
The transmitter connects to B on network (ditto)
The common (one xmtr and one rec) connects to R on network.

One side of the line is in series with the dial pulsing contacts + the hookswitch.
The other side of the line connects directly to the network input (C).

One method is to connect the short soldered wire  from C to L2.
Then, connect the two wires (black and white?) from the phone  to L1 and RR.

Connect the line from the wall (dial tone) to L1/L2.

Ringer connects as follows:
Black to L1
Red to L2
Red-Slate to A
Slate to K

The network appears to be miswired.
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