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Offline HarrySmith

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500 CONV
« on: November 28, 2018, 06:31:01 PM »
I just came across an old 500 on eBay. Black phone with White dial and cut off cords. The first thing I always look at is the bottom, for the date. This one, where the date should be, is stamped "CONV"
I have not seen this before. What does it mean?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/173665347653
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Offline Key2871

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Re: 500 CONV
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2018, 08:47:46 PM »
Short for some type of conversion? That's my guess.
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Offline poplar1

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Re: 500 CONV
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2018, 08:48:04 PM »
CONV=Conversion

In other words, it used to be a different model before it was a 500D...such as 500K, 500T, etc.
"C'est pas une restauration, c'est une rénovation."--François Martin.

Offline RotarDad

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Re: 500 CONV
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2018, 09:58:29 PM »
Poplar1 is correct - most often the CONV stamp was used when a 500 with an early 425A network was upgraded to the equalizer-integrated 425B network.  Model 500 T (later coded J/K) seems to be the most commonly found model that was converted, from what I’ve run across.  These models did not have a separate equalizer and were originally used for installs that were a long distance from the central office where equalizers weren’t needed.  When they arrived back at the refurb center, it appears that standard policy was to swap the net for a 425B to ensure the phone would function like all the “new” models with equalization, and stamp the base “CONV”.  The T/J/K has a small terminal board for handset connections, instead of an equalizer, held by 2 rivets near the handset cord hole.  Many converted phones still have the now-useless terminal board, while others show the distended holes where the rivets were punched out during refurb.   It’s always nice to find an early unmolested 500 - probably most were lost to the refurb process....
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Offline paul-f

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Re: 500 CONV
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2018, 10:35:57 PM »
There's more on this topic on my site at:
   http://www.paul-f.com/we500typ.htm#Date

and in the series of articles on the history of the WE 500 series published in TCI's Singing Wires in issues from January thru August, 2009.
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Offline Key2871

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Re: 500 CONV
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2018, 11:36:17 PM »
It sure is nice to have knowledge of you guys. I never went back that far in my researches on older sets.
Thanks guys
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Offline RotarDad

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Re: 500 CONV
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2018, 12:10:19 AM »
Thanks Paul - your site is extremely helpful with sorting the models and variations like this.  I refer to it often - many times relearning what I’ve forgotten.....

Ken - I focus on 500 sets almost entirely, and I still like the black ones best...  My knowledge level is surpassed my many others here, and drops dramatically once outside the 500 realm.....  :)
Paul

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Re: 500 CONV
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2018, 06:54:23 AM »
Well back when I was actively collecting, that's all I could find around my parts of the woods, so that's what I focused on as well. All colors I could find. But I never saw that sort of marking before, not even in manuals. But my manuals were limited to the 70's sets. But even looking around Paul's site I never saw those, but again I wasn't looking.
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Offline RotarDad

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Re: 500 CONV
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2018, 10:38:10 AM »
Often what’s in front of you grabs your attention and provides the learning opportunity.  The second phone I bought when I started collecting was a “CONV” version, which started my interest in these refurbished sets.  I bought it because it was inexpensive and in really nice shape.  Then I learned it was a ‘59 refurb of a ‘51 500T. 
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Offline poplar1

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Re: 500 CONV
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2018, 11:46:16 AM »
Perhaps the two most common CONVersions are the 5302G and the 151-AL. These models were never manufactured new, only assembled as conversions of older models.
"C'est pas une restauration, c'est une rénovation."--François Martin.