Author Topic: Kapsch & Söhne 1930's metal deskset  (Read 358 times)

Offline tubaman

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Kapsch & Söhne 1930's metal deskset
« on: March 02, 2019, 03:37:07 AM »
I must stop looking at eBay Germany as now I've got this.
€58 + €18  postage (£68.97 after conversion) so I don't know if I paid a bit much but it's a very interesting phone.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Telefono-altee-Central-Battery-apparatus-Henkel-Phone-by-Kapsch-/323696101196

"Telefon, Altes österreichisches Wählscheibentelefon. Sog. Henkelapparat von Kapsch
Nummernschalter läuft sauber ab, Apparat offensichtlich unverbastelt, Funktion nicht getestet."

Google translates to "Telephone, Old Austrian dial telephone. Suction. Henkel apparatus of Kapsch
Number switch runs off cleanly, apparatus apparently unabridged, function not tested." (I'm sure someone here can do a bit better).

Appears to date to 1936 and looks totally original - cords and all. Just need to find some feet for it.
Note the numbering on the dial - apparently Austria used this system until 1950.
I also found this nice document about the history of the company, and my phone is on page 72 - https://www.125yearsofkapsch.net/users/pdf/Kapsch_EN_online.pdf
 :)
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Offline ma_xyz

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Re: Kapsch & Söhne 1930's metal deskset
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2019, 06:28:05 AM »
Congrats. Very nice phone. Rare and in very good condition!

According to the book "100 Jahre Telefonie in Oesterreich" (Hundert Years of Telephony in Austria, Vienna, 1981) this type of dial was used in Vienna from 1925 to 1957 (6 digit numbers, where the first digit was represented as letter (zylmurbafi).
In 1957 the system was changed to "normal", 1 at 1 and 0 at 10 impulses and no more use of letters.

Offline rdelius

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Re: Kapsch & Söhne 1930's metal deskset
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2019, 09:52:15 AM »
Interesting that the dial is based on an AE design

Offline tubaman

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Re: Kapsch & Söhne 1930's metal deskset
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2019, 12:02:09 PM »
Interesting that the dial is based on an AE design

Yes, very like an AE dial but it does have the Kapsch & Söhne logo on it.  Did AE allow other companies to make them under license, or was their design never patented?

Congrats. Very nice phone. Rare and in very good condition!
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Thanks - yes it is in pretty good shape. There's a bit of light rust around the bottom edge of the case but I'm not going to try and do anything with it.
It's over 80 years old so I don't mind it showing a bit of age!
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Offline rdelius

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Re: Kapsch & Söhne 1930's metal deskset
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2019, 12:36:44 PM »
That dial was designed in the mid 20s so the design patent (if one was issued)would have expired bu the early 40s.ATEA in Belgium or Autelco in Italy might have licenced it also

Offline tubaman

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Re: Kapsch & Söhne 1930's metal deskset
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2019, 04:30:55 AM »
I always struggle with how much I should pay for a phone like this when I have no similar sales to compare with.
For this one my top bid was just over €60 and I guess as I won at €58 I was about right.
It's a super phone and I don't regret paying what I did, so I suppose that's the most important thing.
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Offline ma_xyz

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Re: Kapsch & Söhne 1930's metal deskset
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2019, 02:35:31 PM »
That dial was designed in the mid 20s so the design patent (if one was issued)would have expired bu the early 40s.ATEA in Belgium or Autelco in Italy might have licenced it also

ATEA (from 1926 on) and Autelco (from 1936 on) were in fact the European subsidiaries of Automatic Electric.