Author Topic: FrankenPhones AKA the Kludge of the Month Award  (Read 23541 times)

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Re: FrankenPhones AKA the Kludge of the Month Award
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2010, 02:27:26 PM »
I would say, any phone that did not come from the factory in the condition found. that would include refurbished phones if they substituted parts where they were not original. That way you keep from getting a home refurb and a claim it was factory done.

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Re: FrankenPhones AKA the Kludge of the Month Award
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2010, 02:40:13 PM »
Dave, I wasn't aware that there was a conversion kit produced by the phone company for the AE80's and W.E. parts.  Thanks for that information.  What do you think, Terry?  Do you have information on that?

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Re: FrankenPhones AKA the Kludge of the Month Award
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2010, 02:09:20 AM »
Here's a good example that I stumbled upon today.  This Red "Western Electric" model 500 has an Automatic Electric chassis and housing, a Western Electric dial bezel and dial along with a G5 W.E. handset.  The ringer box is thrown in for fun.

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Gee, $33 already too. I'll bet the bidder wants the red 33 ringer, not the phone! Too bad they put the two pieces together in this auction.

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Re: FrankenPhones AKA the Kludge of the Month Award
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2010, 08:42:32 AM »
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case.  It's a really nice ringer.
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Re: FrankenPhones AKA the Kludge of the Month Award
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2010, 08:59:41 AM »
I would define it as any phone that has been assembled by someone other than the TELCO repairman.  For example a WECO 251 that features an AE handset and SC frequency ringer would not be a Frankenphone because that's the way they were put into service by the independent telephone company.  On the other hand when someone slips newer parts into an older phone, like a plastic 70s era #6 dial into a 202, that would be a Frankenphone in my book.  A phone with a bunch of replacement parts is not a Frankenphone if those parts all make sense and seem legit, although I sometimes call them that for lack of a better term.  I hope that clarifies it.
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Re: FrankenPhones AKA the Kludge of the Month Award
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2010, 10:07:00 AM »
Just curious if the term Frankenphone refers to any phone that is not 100% original dates, OR if it's reserved for phoes that have been modified in ways that are not original to the phone, like with a handset from a different model, etc. If an 1950's phone was missing parts and replaced with parts from the same period, or same year even, is it still a Frankenphone?
Phones through the years were repaired or upgraded by telephone repairman. Not factory, but legitimate just the same. A 202 came with an E1 handset. E1 handsets did not have the quality of an F1 and were damaged easily with a trip to the floor. Frankenphone? No way. Signal Corps "upgraded" WE 302s with an AE dial. Frankenphone, maybe? It was a legit upgrade, but it mixed companies and was intended by WE to be that way. I wouldn't want it in my collection. WE 302 with a SC handset, Frankenphone all the way. Many different interpretations from many collectors. i don't think there is a right or wrong...BUT! If a phone was repaired by a Bell Repairman using Bell System parts, IMHO its a legit phone. So if a 202 has a #6 dial, I do not think its a Frankenphone, I'd much rather it had a 4H dial, BUT.... its just my  opinion. ...Doug
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Re: FrankenPhones AKA the Kludge of the Month Award
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2010, 03:23:52 PM »
For my tuppence worth - as long as the phone functions with legit parts then it's ok. We are talking living evolving history really. Purists have their place, and so do pragmatists - the balance lies, as always,somewhere in the middle.
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Re: FrankenPhones AKA the Kludge of the Month Award
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2010, 04:28:47 PM »
For my tuppence worth - as long as the phone functions with legit parts then it's ok. We are talking living evolving history really. Purists have their place, and so do pragmatists - the balance lies, as always,somewhere in the middle.
Tom...you lost me at tuppence worth, I have no idea on a tuppence's value or what one is for that matter. My wife has Tupperware, but I digress, I think. Pragmatists? 
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Re: FrankenPhones AKA the Kludge of the Month Award
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2010, 09:07:13 PM »
Tuppence is slang for "two pence" or two one hundreths of one pound sterling, the British currency. Value about 3 cents US or Canadian.

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Re: FrankenPhones AKA the Kludge of the Month Award
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2010, 11:56:12 PM »
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case.  It's a really nice ringer.

Auction for the red AE80/WECodial and handset is over...$104.49! Would it be possible that the red push to talk handset is hard to find as well? I'm surprised what this auction ended at and am wondering if it was the phone, the handset or the red 33 ringer.

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Re: FrankenPhones AKA the Kludge of the Month Award
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2010, 12:27:20 AM »
Terry,
           I was after the 33 ringer for my red 183 and make a poor mans two-tone out of the AE 80. Kinda like Jorge's but not as nice as his!!
           Don't know anything about the handset.     stub
« Last Edit: November 29, 2010, 12:58:07 AM by stub1953 »
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Re: FrankenPhones AKA the Kludge of the Month Award
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2010, 04:12:06 AM »
For my tuppence worth - as long as the phone functions with legit parts then it's ok. We are talking living evolving history really. Purists have their place, and so do pragmatists - the balance lies, as always,somewhere in the middle.
Tom...you lost me at tuppence worth, I have no idea on a tuppence's value or what one is for that matter. My wife has Tupperware, but I digress, I think. Pragmatists? 
Doug
Didn't mean to baffle - just proves the old saying :- US and Uk -  2 great countries separated by a common language :D
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Re: FrankenPhones AKA the Kludge of the Month Award
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2010, 10:00:38 AM »
Just curious if the term Frankenphone refers to any phone that is not 100% original dates, OR if it's reserved for phoes that have been modified in ways that are not original to the phone, like with a handset from a different model, etc. If an 1950's phone was missing parts and replaced with parts from the same period, or same year even, is it still a Frankenphone?
Phones through the years were repaired or upgraded by telephone repairman. Not factory, but legitimate just the same. A 202 came with an E1 handset. E1 handsets did not have the quality of an F1 and were damaged easily with a trip to the floor. Frankenphone? No way. Signal Corps "upgraded" WE 302s with an AE dial. Frankenphone, maybe? It was a legit upgrade, but it mixed companies and was intended by WE to be that way. I wouldn't want it in my collection. WE 302 with a SC handset, Frankenphone all the way. Many different interpretations from many collectors. i don't think there is a right or wrong...BUT! If a phone was repaired by a Bell Repairman using Bell System parts, IMHO its a legit phone. So if a 202 has a #6 dial, I do not think its a Frankenphone, I'd much rather it had a 4H dial, BUT.... its just my  opinion. ...Doug


This is great description of (in my opinion) the difference between a Frankenphone and refurbished phone.

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Re: FrankenPhones AKA the Kludge of the Month Award
« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2010, 10:39:27 AM »
For my tuppence worth - as long as the phone functions with legit parts then it's ok. We are talking living evolving history really. Purists have their place, and so do pragmatists - the balance lies, as always,somewhere in the middle.
Tom...you lost me at tuppence worth, I have no idea on a tuppence's value or what one is for that matter. My wife has Tupperware, but I digress, I think. Pragmatists? 
Doug
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Re: FrankenPhones AKA the Kludge of the Month Award
« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2010, 02:10:27 PM »
Thanks everyone for weighing in. I picked up a 57 WE 544, missing the dial mechanism, transmitter, and with a broken handset hook. I'm replacing these with parts that are probably within a year or 2 of that original date. It sounds like "refurbished" is the best way to describe it, should I want to sell it one day.

Tim