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Offline KeithB

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WE 211 G1/41A/F1/5H - I think I got a bargain
« on: September 21, 2010, 01:43:26 AM »
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:o I cannot seriously believe what some people are asking for these compact phones, especially when the one I got from the bay last week sold for only $24 + shipping.  It has the G1 enclosure, a 5H dial, and an F1 handset, but no subset.  The dial was sticking and difficult, but once disassembled it was obvious the fingerwheel was badly warped from years of abuse.  Sandwiched between two scraps of soft 1x4 wood and a few firm whacks of the hammer later, and the fingerwheel was much closer to flat again.  ;D  When I re-installed it, the dial was still dragging a bit, and viewing it from the side revealed the main axle of the dial was also bent a degree or two off vertical.  It only required a few very gentle tugs/presses on the dial center to get it straightened, and now it dials perfectly.  The porcelain was badly worn/faded on several numbers, so it was cleaned and a reproduction decal from Oldphoneworks was placed over it.

The phone had been touched up with extra black paint at some point, and there was some rust on the plate behind the dial.  I lightly sanded the entire case and dial housing and fingerwheel to remove the excess paint and rust, and shot it with primer tonight.  There were a few sags in the original black paint on one side of the G1 case, so those were sanded back to level before priming.  

The F1 handset had clearly seen better days.  The Bakelite caps were both showing many flecks and lots of brown material, and the handset itself was obviously well-used in its long lifetime.  A vintage F1 handset from Steve Hilsz is replacing it.  The handset cord had been terribly strained, pulling apart the wires within the G1 body.  The red wire was completely missing it's spade lug. I un-crimped the strain relief, cut off two inches of the damaged wires, then stripped back the rubber jacket for an extra inch and crimped on new spade lugs.  

This little beauty is made mostly of aluminum, and is a fun quick renewal while I'm still waiting on a vault door for the WE233G payphone...


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Re: WE 211 G1/F1/5H - I think I got a bargain
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2010, 02:34:12 AM »
I think you definitely got a bargain.  They don't go for huge amounts, but they certainly seem to go higher than $24!  Hanging handsets are great fun to tinker with, and are very useful.
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Re: WE 211 G1/F1/5H - I think I got a bargain
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2010, 09:00:47 AM »
If I didn't love the cute little bugger so darned much, I'd consider "cleaning it up and putting it back on the bay" as a few here are so fond of saying.  :D

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Re: WE 211 G1/41A/F1/5H - Wiring (what else?)
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2010, 06:38:36 PM »
So, I was reviewing an older (Feb 2010) thread on the WE211 here, and trying to wire it together tonight.  As I received the phone, there were three fabric-covered wires bundled from the dial to the switch hook connections.  One is solid brown, one is brown with white, and the other is brown with red.  I reviewed the wiring diagram (supplied by Bingster, shown below) which shows these three wires bundled from the dial, and shows two other individual wires connected to Y and W.

My question is, should I just route the White handset wire directly up to the W connection on the 5H dial?  If so, I'll need to strip another inch (or more) of insulation back from the handset cord.


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Re: WE 211 G1/41A/F1/5H - I think I got a bargain
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2010, 06:53:40 PM »
Keith, I just looked at two of mine and on both of them the white wire from the handset goes directly to W on the dial.
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Re: WE 211 G1/41A/F1/5H - I think I got a bargain
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2010, 07:08:45 PM »
Thanks!!  ;D

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Re: WE 211 G1/41A/F1/5H - I think I got a bargain
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2010, 03:29:45 PM »
As I was installing four new brass #8-32 slotted screws into the bottom of the mounting bracket Tuesday evening, I noticed dimpling of the paint in one area on the outside of the switch hook.  Darn it. :(

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Re: WE 211 G1/41A/F1/5H - I think I got a bargain
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2010, 05:00:10 PM »

 The dial was sticking and difficult, but once disassembled it was obvious the fingerwheel was badly warped from years of abuse.  Sandwiched between two scraps of soft 1x4 wood and a few firm whacks of the hammer later, and the fingerwheel was much closer to flat again.  ;D  When I re-installed it, the dial was still dragging a bit, and viewing it from the side revealed the main axle of the dial was also bent a degree or two off vertical.  It only required a few very gentle tugs/presses on the dial center to get it straightened, and now it dials perfectly.  

You're my kind of guy, Keith.  I love those high-tech solutions, be they whacks with a hammer or gentle tugs or anything in between.
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Re: WE 211 G1/41A/F1/5H - I think I got a bargain
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2010, 07:30:16 PM »
You're my kind of guy, Keith.  I love those high-tech solutions, be they whacks with a hammer or gentle tugs or anything in between.
I learned a long time ago, some things can definitely handle this kind of "abuse" . . . uhhh, I mean "technique" when repairing them.  Also, soft wood absorbs enough of the hammer blow to prevent any serious damage, while distributing it evenly enough to straighten things out.  Once or twice from one side, then again from the other.  It was actually disappointing to see that a flattened fingerwheel still didn't turn freely.  That's when I noticed the axle was bent, as well.  Somebody really used the heck outa this old gal, if they caused that much bending/warping.  :D

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Re: WE 211 G1/41A/F1/5H - I think I got a bargain
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2010, 07:32:30 PM »
or was mad all the time
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Re: WE 211 G1/41A/F1/5H - I think I got a bargain
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2010, 09:49:23 PM »
Keith, did you use the side of the hammer when you wacked it?

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Re: WE 211 G1/41A/F1/5H - I think I got a bargain
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2010, 07:18:05 AM »
No, actually.  The warping was all on one side of the wheel, and required rather firm encouragement.  Of course I didn't take a full swing at it, either, just two short, firm whacks.  I was working inside the house, atop my large kitchen cutting board.  I figured, what the heck, if the owner could beat it up so badly for so long without breaking it, what was the worst I could do?  If I ruined it, at least I could purchase a decent vintage fingerwheel from Adele or someone else, if necessary.

As for bending the dial shaft back, that was a definite gamble.  I was seriously afraid it would snap and break, so I took it slow and easy.  It took three or four pulls got get it back to straight.