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Rust Removal / Repainting WE 302 base/feet
« on: September 08, 2011, 08:07:16 AM »
*** Photos have been updated to my actual 302 ****

I am working on a WE 302 (Phone #2 of 6 as some hopeful XMAS gifts)

This particular one has rust under one of the footpads.  The footpad has mostly deteriorated and the metal of the footpad is rusted together, additionally there is a rust spot only on the outside of the base, right under where the footpad resided.

I have looked around the forum for rust removal techniques and see that there are a number of them from brasso to using a wire wheel on a dremmel (which I do have)

What should I use to take off the rust from the base, and how should I repaint the area that had the rust (and probably the paint) taken off.  What type of paint (be specific, enamal, flat, gloss), should I prime it (again specifics in terms of what type of primer)

How about the rust encrusted foot pad metal.  Is there any hope.  Should I use a dremmel on that or some other method ?


*** I have updated the pictures to my phone pictures ***

photo 1 shows the bottom of the case with the rust
Photo 2 shows inside of case (no rust)
Photos 3 & 4 show the rust encrusted footpad on both sides
« Last Edit: September 08, 2011, 12:48:47 PM by winkydink »

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Re: Rust Removal / Repainting WE 302 base/feet
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2011, 09:53:43 AM »

Offline dencins

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Re: Rust Removal / Repainting WE 302 base/feet
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2011, 11:16:16 AM »
Chuck Hensley has repainted rust areas on baseplates with an air brush.  He posted how it is done but I can not find it.  His work is very good and the results are excellent.

302's did not have neoprene footpads.  The picture you used is a 500 base.  I have found replacement rivets for early 302 (1937) and early 500 (leather covered footpads) but have not been able to find the rivets used on round and triangular neoprene footpads so if you remove the rivet replacement with an original looking rivet would be doubtful.

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Re: Rust Removal / Repainting WE 302 base/feet
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2011, 11:22:18 AM »
Chuck Hensley has repainted rust areas on baseplates with an air brush.  He posted how it is done but I can not find it.  His work is very good and the results are excellent.

302's did not have neoprene footpads.  The picture you used is a 500 base.  I have found replacement rivets for early 302 (1937) and early 500 (leather covered footpads) but have not been able to find the rivets used on round and triangular neoprene footpads so if you remove the rivet replacement with an original looking rivet would be doubtful.

Dennis Hallworth
Found it.  The subject is here:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=4129.0

Dennis Hallworth

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Re: Rust Removal / Repainting WE 302 base/feet
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2011, 12:49:54 PM »
*** Photos in first post have been updated to reflect my actual 302 ****


Thanks to all who have replied to this thread !

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Re: Rust Removal / Repainting WE 302 base/feet
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2011, 02:16:42 PM »
Were the footpads held on by screws or rivets?

For $7.95 plus postage ($2.00 for screw type), I will clean up the plates and screws (brass wire wheel brush) and recover them with chocolate brown suede.

If they are rivet type, after you clean up and refinish the base, send me the base and footpads.   For $7.95 I will recover the footpads and rivet them to the base with the same type of rivet originally used.  Just add more for the postage.  These are usually sent to me Priority Mail Small Flat Rate box for $5.00.   If it was riveted it is an early 1937 and worth the extra postage cost.

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Re: Rust Removal / Repainting WE 302 base/feet
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2011, 02:26:25 PM »
Dennis,

They were held there by screws

The orignal pictures I posted were wrong and most likely caused confusion.

The phone base was from 9/47.

I may send you these feet and the feet from 5 other phones as we have discussed previously.  I still would like to learn to recover the feet myself but may opt for your service if my own attempts prove less than satisfactory.

Thanks !

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Re: Rust Removal / Repainting WE 302 base/feet
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2011, 12:33:19 AM »

I have looked around the forum for rust removal techniques and see that there are a number of them from brasso to using a wire wheel on a dremmel (which I do have)

What should I use to take off the rust from the base, and how should I repaint the area that had the rust (and probably the paint) taken off.  What type of paint (be specific, enamal, flat, gloss), should I prime it (again specifics in terms of what type of primer)

How about the rust encrusted foot pad metal.  Is there any hope.  Should I use a dremmel on that or some other method?

I gave one of my 5302s a soak in CLR.  If it's the same kind of paint, it'll take that off too, but be careful of any date stamps and other markings.  See this thread:  http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=3039.0
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Re: Rust Removal / Repainting WE 302 base/feet
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2011, 03:31:07 AM »
This stuff takes rust off of things like butter. Look for it local here the hardware store has it for around $3.99 a jar.
http://www.amazon.com/Permatex-81756-Naval-Jelly-Dissolver/dp/B0007TQW5G

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Re: Rust Removal / Repainting WE 302 base/feet
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2011, 11:43:00 AM »
Well I used the wire wheel and dremmel method and I am more than satisfied with the results.

I will now try to paint a portion of the bottom of the base using a modified version of Chuck Hensley painting method mentioned earlier in the thread.  I will need to use a spray can since I do not own an air brush.

I will post some pictures when I have finished.

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Re: Rust Removal / Repainting WE 302 base/feet
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2011, 03:56:42 PM »
Be sure you cover the rivets before painting - an idea Jorge shared with me. Put a small piece of tape on each rivet, then cut around each rivet with a sharp Exacto knife to remove the excess. I have found that Tamiya masking tape works the best. It has some stretch so conforms to the convex rivet head. Tamaya masking tape is used by modelers for paint masking. It is available at some hobby stores and online.

Chuck

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Re: Rust Removal / Repainting WE 302 base/feet
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2011, 04:04:51 PM »
I would like to recommend Evapo Rust to remove rust ;

http://www.evapo-rust.com/


See also:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=4369.0
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