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Re: Examples of reproduction/fake candlesticks parts
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2014, 08:35:59 AM »
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Re: Examples of reproduction/fake candlesticks parts
« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2015, 03:58:26 PM »
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Re: Examples of reproduction/fake candlesticks parts
« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2015, 09:02:20 PM »
Brass or painted they still have the same November 1910 date!
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Re: Examples of reproduction/fake candlesticks parts
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2015, 09:58:09 AM »
Here's another reproduction candlestick that sold on Ebay.  it's easy to pick these out from the authentic phones, so why did it sell for so high?  $255 + shipping.  The only part that looks like it might be authentic is the dial - the ringer box looks pretty good, but it's not a Western Electric as the label indicates.  I kind of like how they mounted the transformer, but they left out the condenser for the receiver, and only installed a Cap for the ringer.  Candlestick worth $50, ringer $205?  Even the receiver is a repro.

Is there a market for fakes, that people are willing to pay more than an original is worth?


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Re: Examples of reproduction/fake candlesticks parts
« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2015, 09:58:48 AM »
more pics. 
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Re: Examples of reproduction/fake candlesticks parts
« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2016, 07:31:36 PM »
An expensive lesson!
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Re: Examples of reproduction/fake candlesticks parts
« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2016, 12:25:05 PM »
Did anyone notice the 11-71 date on the receiver element?

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Re: Examples of reproduction/fake candlesticks parts
« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2016, 02:11:24 PM »
Did anyone notice the 11-71 date on the receiver element?

But that's 1871, right???   ::)
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Re: Examples of reproduction/fake candlesticks parts
« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2016, 05:23:12 PM »
That is the reproduction mouthpiece, it will accept any modern transmitter. I used a couple with a WE U-2!
The cup is always dated November 1910 on these repros.
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Re: Examples of reproduction/fake candlesticks parts
« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2016, 06:21:10 PM »
That part couldn't have an 1871 date.  I thought the telephone wasn't invented until 1876!

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Re: Examples of reproduction/fake candlesticks parts
« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2016, 07:41:39 PM »
Here's a great example, and a matching FAKE subset. I love the fake bells and clapper, when you can clearly see the c4a 500 ringer just underneath it:

www.ebay.com/itm/371686848869
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Candlestick - Is this an Original or a Replica?
« Reply #41 on: June 12, 2018, 09:17:52 AM »
This was a bit of a test I set myself really. I've taken the exam, now I need those of you with more Candlestick experience to mark me please.  ;)

Do you think this is an original, or a later replica? For various reasons I came to the conclusion it was a later replica, but would like to know if you knowledgeable folks agree.

I will reveal why I thought replica, and what this sold for, plus how many watchers later (as the latter two might be a bit of a clue - or not!  :D ).  Thanks.   :)

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Re: Candlestick - Is this an Original or a Replica?
« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2018, 09:27:32 AM »
Not very familiar with Europen candlesticks but from the look of the reciever I would say repro.
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Re: Candlestick - Is this an Original or a Replica?
« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2018, 09:39:10 AM »
Replica, though probably from the early 1970's so arguably "Vintage" in its own right.  The originals had a pressed steel base.

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Re: Candlestick - Is this an Original or a Replica?
« Reply #44 on: June 12, 2018, 12:44:23 PM »
I agree with what has already been said. If it's a genuine GPO phone from the UK then the base and column should be steel and painted black. However most replicas don't have that old style cord, nor do they have an early dial (dial 10 or 12). However I seem to remember there was someone around in the 60s or 70s making pretty convincing rteplicas using a lot of genuine ex-GPO parts. So my guess is very early replica, possibly from the 1960s. However if you have a close look at that dial you may well find a much earlier date.
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