Author Topic: Got an EARLY Black WE500. I am pumped !!!!!  (Read 4117 times)

Offline Dan

  • **
  • Posts: 1960
  • 1957 WE 500-P
Re: Got an EARLY Black WE500. I am pumped !!!!!
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2013, 10:25:50 PM »
Very interesting. My 12-1950 was closer with all it's dates, but this one did have a 1949 part. The dial sounds strange-like a little coffee grinder. (I will lube it).

1)  Shell dated 11-24-1951. Probably was refurbed 62 years ago



2)  Front of the dial, my first "curly" operator



3)  Back of dial the earliest I have ever had or seen in person  March 1950!



4)  Early 2-1950 network



5L)  Handset elements are all 1-1950



5R )  Look at the date of the G-1 Handset!!! 1949!



6L)  guts shot inside...



Even had a rare original bonus card under the sticker

6R) 

It is dirty and I think a nice straight cord for the handset would make it more authentic! I am very happy with  my purchase.  :)



« Last Edit: November 17, 2017, 02:50:50 PM by TelePlay »
"Imagine how weird telephones would look if our ears weren't so close to our mouths." - Steven Wright

Offline Dan

  • **
  • Posts: 1960
  • 1957 WE 500-P
Re: Got an EARLY Black WE500. I am pumped !!!!!
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2013, 10:59:02 PM »
PS it works all the way, once I moved the slate wire off ground to L2
"Imagine how weird telephones would look if our ears weren't so close to our mouths." - Steven Wright

Offline McHeath

  • **
  • Posts: 3349
Re: Got an EARLY Black WE500. I am pumped !!!!!
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2013, 01:08:22 AM »
Cool, major nice score here.  And a 49' handset to boot!  Jealous!

What's the date on the handset cord? 

Does anyone know when the dial bezel was changed from the curly "operator"? 

You really got a great deal.

Offline Dan

  • **
  • Posts: 1960
  • 1957 WE 500-P
Re: Got an EARLY Black WE500. I am pumped !!!!!
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2013, 09:34:58 AM »
Handset cord had no date, probably a recent replacement. Based on my knowledge the curly operator started in 1949 after the Dan/P 1947-1948 Z operator  prototype  and was used till 3-1950 (my phones date). I have a 12-1950 with the small font operator  . So the curly operator vanished between 3-50 and 12-50.

It is cool putting actual dates to this history we all know about. Anyone know of a curly operator plate dated after 3-1950?
"Imagine how weird telephones would look if our ears weren't so close to our mouths." - Steven Wright

Offline LarryInMichigan

  • ***
  • Posts: 5140
Re: Got an EARLY Black WE500. I am pumped !!!!!
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2013, 09:47:59 AM »
My 12/50 500 also has the later style "Operator".

Larry

Offline JorgeAmely

  • **
  • Posts: 2183
  • WE 500 from 1958
Re: Got an EARLY Black WE500. I am pumped !!!!!
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2013, 10:37:25 AM »
Dan:
Very nice snag. Be careful with the numbers wheel. Someone mentioned long time ago that you shouldn't wash with water because of water soluble coatings on the wheel. Perhaps other forum members can confirm or deny this. Seeing the components that belong to 1949 and 1950 puts your phone in an entire selected category of model 500 (maybe the most original parts?)

Congratulations! We should talk on our old phones one of these days.   ;D
Jorge

Offline Dennis Markham

  • VintageRotaryPhones.com
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 5626
    • VintageRotaryPhones.com
Re: Got an EARLY Black WE500. I am pumped !!!!!
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2013, 12:13:42 PM »
Very cool, Dan!  I don't know what the dial bezel is made with but do remember someone referring to the early ones as "overlays".  I know it's not sandwiched plastic like the later ones, so don't try sanding it.  What Jorge says is good advice.  Just be careful with it.  Very cool that the handset is from '49.

Offline Jim Stettler

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 4576
Re: Got an EARLY Black WE500. I am pumped !!!!!
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2013, 12:16:42 PM »
The dial ring appers to be back painted. The yellow tinge is from the clear plastic yellowing.
Great score.
Jim
You live, You learn,
You die, you forget it all.

Offline Tom B

  • *
  • Posts: 397
Re: Got an EARLY Black WE500. I am pumped !!!!!
« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2013, 02:07:34 PM »
Congrats, Dan;) Love the '49 handset. Great score, mate.
Tom

Offline paul-f

  • **
  • Posts: 3302
    • Old Telephones as Entertainment!
Re: Got an EARLY Black WE500. I am pumped !!!!!
« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2013, 02:25:33 PM »

Based on my knowledge the curly operator started in 1949 after the Dan/P 1947-1948 Z operator  prototype  and was used till 3-1950 (my phones date). I have a 12-1950 with the small font operator  . So the curly operator vanished between 3-50 and 12-50.

It is cool putting actual dates to this history we all know about. Anyone know of a curly operator plate dated after 3-1950?


From previous discussions, I recorded sightings from 10-49 to 6-50.

The back of the 10-49 dial is shown under Dan's dial here:
   http://www.paul-f.com/we500_Early.html#Dial

The earliest reported sighting for next style (small letter straight OPERATOR) was 10-50.

That narrows the gap a bit.
Visit: paul-f.com         WE 500  Design_Line

.

Offline Jim Stettler

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 4576
Re: Got an EARLY Black WE500. I am pumped !!!!!
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2013, 03:11:55 PM »
There was also "Operator" in the traditional style w/ a slightly larger font. I have one of those plates  on a 1958 F# clear 500.
I have also seen the font on early black sets.
Jim

The photo of my 500 is on the thread for the conference call w/ Dan/Panther's phone.
You live, You learn,
You die, you forget it all.

Offline AE40FAN

  • **
  • Posts: 557
Re: Got an EARLY Black WE500. I am pumped !!!!!
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2013, 07:08:16 PM »
Dan,

Very cool to see.   You really did score on that phone I am envious of collection :o

Offline Dan

  • **
  • Posts: 1960
  • 1957 WE 500-P
Re: Got an EARLY Black WE500. I am pumped !!!!!
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2013, 10:10:52 PM »
Thanks guys. You are all so kind.
"Imagine how weird telephones would look if our ears weren't so close to our mouths." - Steven Wright

Offline McHeath

  • **
  • Posts: 3349
Re: Got an EARLY Black WE500. I am pumped !!!!!
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2013, 12:20:47 AM »
It's funny how these very rare phones will pop up once and awhile on E-bay in the hands of sellers who don't realize what they are.  They are the phone world equivalent of the Holy Grail, and would go for serious money if they were well presented. 

I guess it's lucky for us the sellers don't do any homework and just think it's an old hunk of junk phone. ;)