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fold-a-fone candlestick help

Started by montanadad, December 28, 2023, 11:20:36 AM

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montanadad

My daughter (15) loves retro and vintage and picked up a candlestick phone at a vintage store.  She would like dad (me) to see if I can put it on our VOIP network or at least be able to plug it into any normal phone jack with service and use it.  I've taken the liberty to take it apart and it appears there has been others in it, as the wires are cut.  I'm looking for help to what needs to be wired connected and also if the network board I purchased is right.  Can you guys helps as I am new to the forum and have been following for a while now.

I am fine with a soldering iron and don't mind getting my hands dirty, etc :)

Here are some pics of the phone.

I have included a pic of the network board as I have a bit week to see if I can get this working for her 16th birthday. 

HarrySmith

Welcome to the forum. Since it is a reproduction stick it may work as is without adding anything. As fa as fixing the wires I do not know off the top of my head. Can you just match up colors?
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LarryInMichigan

It looks like the wires from the line cord were cut, and I also see that someone marked three of the terminals with 'G'. 'R', and 'Y'.  My guess is that the line cord wires went to those terminals.  I would try connecting the green wire to 'D1' and the red to 'D3' and see what happens.  If the phone works that way, you may also need to connect the wire to the buzzer to the green or maybe the red wire to make the buzzer work.   I doubt that you will need the AE network in this phone.  Chances are that if someone snipped wires, they may have disconnected and/or rearranged other wires also.

Larry

G-Man

It looks to be well built for what it is and appears to already have an induction coil (transformer) and capacitor that forms an existing network.
 
Also, please take a better photo of the wiring diagram as I suspect it will answer any questions as to how to connect it.

montanadad

Here is the schematic as well that was tucked inside the bottom housing

G-Man

According to the diagram:

  • D1Green line cord conductor
  • D3Red line cord conductor, then wire a Jumper from black Buzzer (E?) terminal to D3

rdelius

That diagram is not the same as the AE network that has been added to this set.

montanadad

Interesting.  I did do a test last night and was not able to dial out or receive calls after attaching the wires back.   I also did a test with the receiver switch and it does work, but when on network it has a buzzing sound.   So, if I scrap what is in the phone and use the network that I bought do we think it would be good?  If not, suggestions?

If so, does anyone have a similar candlestick (this candlestick seems to have the Japan dialer) with the correct hookups? 

Thanks again

SUnset2

If you choose to give up on the original wiring, the thread at the link below has links to information on how to wire the mini networks.
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=19085.msg196115#msg196115

G-Man

Quote from: rdelius on December 29, 2023, 10:33:54 AMThat diagram is not the same as the AE network that has been added to this set.
If you take a closer look at the photos of the inside of the instrument you will see that it does not contain an AECo network, though he did purchase one to install if necessary.

montanadad

Anyone have any links handy for the Japanese dialer hookup?.  My thought at this point is to gut the inside of this and put the mini network in that I purchased online that has the caps and such to help eliminate that noise in the ear. I'll keep the ringer (assuming it works) from the candlestick base, though, assuming it works.

The receiver, receiver hook switch and transmitter seem easy enough.  I've see quite a few of the dialers (WE and AE 51 dialers), but not the Japanese one with hookups.  The network I would be connecting to is what ever is normally on the side of a house.  I've disconnected that from TELCO and it works fine with our older tone dial phones and even a cordless with our VOIP adapter. 

So at this point, if anyone has it I need:

1.  wiring connections for the japanese dialer to mini-network, transmitter, speaker/receiver
2.  Input on.. If the mini-network I purchased would work if I gutted it all
3.  If I needed a separate ringer and it would be better then let me know and I will
    then just build and/or buy one that is enclosed in a box. 

I do appreciate any and ALL feedback so far. 


G-Man

Quote from: montanadad on December 29, 2023, 11:24:12 AMInteresting.  I did do a test last night and was not able to dial out or receive calls after attaching the wires back.  I also did a test with the receiver switch and it does work, but when on network it has a buzzing sound.  So, if I scrap what is in the phone and use the network that I bought do we think it would be good?  If not, suggestions?

If so, does anyone have a similar candlestick (this candlestick seems to have the Japan dialer) with the correct hookups? 

Thanks again
Unless there are there is a bad cord or other wires that have been cut or moved, the components seem to be all there, the wiring diagram should make it easy to quickly troubleshoot the problem, especially since it seems to provide the color coding of the wiring.

Even though it would be a shame to gut the nicely laced wiring harness to install a mini-network, I understand that you have a time constraint to get it working.

paul-f

Quote from: montanadad on December 29, 2023, 01:36:50 PMAnyone have any links handy for the Japanese dialer hookup?. 

So at this point, if anyone has it I need:

1.  wiring connections for the japanese dialer to mini-network, transmitter, speaker/receiver
2.  Input on.. If the mini-network I purchased would work if I gutted it all


There are wiring diagrams for connecting the mini networks to a variety of sets in the TCI Library:
https://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/search?q=mini+network

I have used them without issue in many situations with only a receiver, transmitter and switch.
Visit: paul-f.com         WE  500  Design_Line

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G-Man

Quote from: montanadad on December 29, 2023, 01:36:50 PMAnyone have any links handy for the Japanese dialer hookup?. 
Since there are many, many variants of dials (not dialer), we need to see a clear photo of the back of it to determine the contact arrangement on yours.
 
From what little of what I can see, it would appear that there are two white, a red, black and green wires emerging from it. I would mark them on the wiring diagram but it is partially obscured in the photo by the wires in front of it.
 
I would proffer the following guess as to their functions:
 
  • Black and Green wires- pulsing contacts
  • White wires- muting contacts to eliminate pops and clicks in the receiver.
  • Red- ??

The fifth wire is puzzling since many imported decorator telephones used a four-wire dial such as those used on WECo Trimline or other similar type dials.
 
Also, please be advised that your telephone has a buzzer and not a bell inside of it. It is up to you as to whether that is acceptable or whether you will need to add an external bell.

montanadad

Here are those pics.  
I can see made in Japan and then
7-73 below it (maybe July 1973)