Hello, im looking to find the differabce if any on the Harris Dracon TS21 butt sets with differant color shells, yellow blue. Blue and light blue etc.
I remember someone telling me a differance in electronics or in function etc.
Is there? Just courious, because i
I was offered a set with two colored housings.
What about the clear TS21?
Like this...Doug
I think that is the TS22. It looks more squared off than a TS21.
I don't have one of those ....yet.
Yea thats not a 21, not even a 22 looks more like an AT&T set..
Like this https://www.ebay.com/itm/AT-T-TELEPHONE-LINEMAN-TEST-BUTT-SET-PHONE-LINE-TESTER/114264313236?epid=21037063351&hash=item1a9aaf0d94:g:azIAAOSw-wteoTKD
But i was looking for information on the TS21 with two color housing
Ken...you are correct...it is an NOS Clear ATT....my bad :-\ ...Doug
Quote from: Doug Rose on September 02, 2020, 09:43:02 PM
Ken...you are correct...it is an NOS Clear ATT....my bad :-\ ...Doug
Still very cool and I don't have one ...yet
Jim
Agreed nice set to have in clear.
Quote from: Key2871 on September 02, 2020, 05:50:54 PM
Hello, im looking to find the differabce if any on the Harris Dracon TS21 butt sets with differant color shells, yellow blue. Blue and light blue etc.
Have you looked here, Ken?
https://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/search?q=ts-21 (https://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/search?q=ts-21)
No i didn't, but i didnt see any information as to what differant color indicates.
Here's one...
There we go, thanks Paul. Id forgotten what the differant ones meant. No differance other than cord sets and ground start.
Quote from: Key2871 on September 04, 2020, 04:58:45 AM
No difference other than cord sets and ground start.
I looks like there may be some difference in models with -01x, -02x and -08x suffix codes.
It would be interesting if someone wants to take the time to dig out the details.
I agree, but this is at least a start. The one i have is red yellow and it looks like any other set ive seen before but i can't tell what the differant colors mean.
From research ive done, with little help from the internet, i find no specific info on colors. Its nased largely on the numbers at the end of the model thst denotes the cord set type, and ground start or not.
I was thinking there must be something to the colors.
But i dont find anything on that.
Figured out that chart is old. It doesnt cover the --89 series.
The Red Yellow set I was going to get wasnt all that great, so he offered to me a TS21 -089 its about the same as the 0-X89 its just solid Red.
And im still looking around for the newer chart thats explains the differant series, even though its just minor circuit changes with in the set.
Pictures tomorrow..
Here are a couple shots before I buffed...
Then a few after I buffed...
There were just a few deep scratches i couldn't get completely out. But i figure its a test set, its going to get bumped around anyway.
Looking much nicer.
What did you buff with?
:)
Cool. Nice looking set. Have you decided if there are any differences with color yet?
Thanks Harry, i think it really looks new now.
The difference of differant sets seems to be in the circuits. The color changes denote those
AND the last few digits inside the handle indicate the cord type.
081 is standard cord with single pin in clip.
082 is straigh bed of nails, no angle to the end of the clip.
084 is straight with pin.
087 is 3 wire ground start switch included.
088 is SPR cord, central office cord with resistor.
089 is a standard cord with ABN clips, angled bed of nails clips
CO cordset has the 346 type plug for changing the end of the cordset for the butt set for differant connections. Some clips have straight nose and some most common are angled with the pin and bed of nails for piercing insulation of quad wire, the pin is for the drop wire.
Looks like my last Butt set I used on the road 30 years ago. It was still sitting in my B Box...Doug
Ive had a set like this years ago, and I could run it with a 9 volt battery. This one and newer since ive found they want line voltage, I think its the amperage.
Because this one will work with 18 volts, not 9.
But i just like my stuff looking nice as possible.
This one is a keeper for old times sake.
Doug, I like the combination spring and litz cords.
Something you did?
I have a chart simalar to the one Paul added, but its in a jif file and I cant figure how to seperate from the rest of the page just using my phone.
But some that were GS ground start, are marked differently, but i couldnt find a whole lot of differant things like I thought I might.
Fab I used a loose cotton wheel with jewelers ruge to Polish the plastic. Loose works much better, as it doesn't tend to cook the plastic, or scorch.
It leaves a nice shine on the finish, some plastic needs a hand rub to get fine marks out.
Like novis 1, or I like silver polish. Has enough grit to get the marks out, but leaves a nice finish
Sometimes a buff rake is needed to remove build up of compound and then burn off the loose strands. Otherwise it effects the finish.
I also have tripoli, but I dont use that on plastic, its too coarse.
But i use several buffs, cones to get into harx to reash area's, the main wheel i use was 6 inch when i started 20 plus years ago. But its down to about 5 or so now.
I have some stitch wheels but only use those on metal.
Maybe I'll do a topic on what I use for polishing and show all my buffs, compounds etc and the motor and spindle setup i have.
Everything i have i got mostly new, but some were second hand from the shop i worked at for 20 years finishing metal.
Some images of clips used on these sets.
First and second are standard ABN, or angled bed of nails, with spike.
Third is straight nose SBN.
Third just shows the spike used to pierce drop wire old type with hard rubber coating.
The bed of nails can penetrate the insulation of single wires with out striping to gain connection.
Doug, I like the combination spring and litz cords.
Something you did?
[/quote]Ken....the way it came out it of the box, never seen a combo like it.
This guy got used big time. As you know, a tech has to mark his tools.....Doug
Ive never seen such with part coil and part straight. Thats odd.
Yea tools have a way of wondering off so you need to track them.
Ive seen ground start, resistor leads standard even the CO cordset with plugs and strange clips, etc but not that. Interesting
The only butt sets I know of where color makes a difference is the old rotary 1013, 1013A, and 1014. The blue, orange , and yellow ones. Still, I think the color only represents the model, no difference in internals that I'm aware of.
I like to get the color Butt Sets in New or Barely used condition. Still looking for a Blue Red (orange) Combo. Just missed out on a clear a few years ago :'(
Also a picture of the curly cord combo on my old beat up work butt set...Doug
Wiltcrane, yes i had said that. About the circuits and colors of sets.
Doug, quite a collection of test sets you have. I just saw the other day for the first time, a yellow blue bell set, never saw that combination before.
Very interesting.