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Re: Not so “RARE” phones, phony items and other such fakery on eBay
« Reply #90 on: February 19, 2014, 02:20:56 AM »
Seller just listed this as a "Westrn Electric Mushroom Rotary Telephone 500 C/D" in a 7 day auction but I don't see the light. Probably an honest mistake by someone who doesn't sell a lot of phones.

Someone (or several someones) are making the same IMO dishonest mistake over and over, as a form of keyword spamming to get more views. Try these searches:
In all categories: mushroom (phone, telephone)
In Collectibles > Radio, Phonograph, TV, Phone > Telephones: mushroom

You may find several phones that are not even 500s, let alone with a dial light. I have seen D1 mounts, 2500s, wall phones, a candlestick... even one touch-tone phone that happened to be a mushroom-gray COLOR (but that's not what the title was referring to).

I've seen the same type of thing in other categories that I collect too. Once a lazy or dishonest seller gets it in their head that using a certain keyword equals higher prices, they will use that keyword for every sale of something that is even the most remotely related. For another example from Telephones, search "Monophone" and see how many non-Monophones come up.


Still no "mushroom"
No "e" in Western Electric either. Never a good thing to squander in a listing...the "Western Electric" name.

Sellers misspelling (or leaving out) the most important keyword in their title, loading the title with cryptic abbreviations or words nobody searches by (rare, look, LQQK, unique, etc.) always make me laugh and shake my head.
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Re: Not so “RARE” phones, phony items and other such fakery on eBay
« Reply #91 on: February 19, 2014, 08:03:08 AM »
To be fair, not all sellers are being intentionally dishonest. Some are just uninformed and/or too lazy to research what they are selling. I once contacted a seller who was offering a  plain old 500 and listing it as a mushroom. I told him about the dial light & hood. He replied he did not know anything about phones and stated he saw an auction that resembled his phone. He sent me the auction number which was a mushroom. I indicated the light hood to him. He apologized and changed his listing.
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Re: Not so “RARE” phones, phony items and other such fakery on eBay
« Reply #92 on: February 19, 2014, 08:52:55 AM »
To be fair, not all sellers are being intentionally dishonest.

That is so true, Harry. I know we have a little fun with some sellers at their expense due to what they post out of lack of knowledge, but it is in fun in most cases. Yes, once and a while there is true dishonesty in one form or another, but in most cases it is not intentional and we post those cases as both a bit of a laugh and more for the educational purpose of pointing out an error, sometimes subtle except to the pro-phone guy, that shows up in an eBay listing. Good for you for educating that 500 seller.
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Re: Not so “RARE” phones, phony items and other such fakery on eBay
« Reply #93 on: February 20, 2014, 07:05:20 AM »
Sellers misspelling (or leaving out) the most important keyword in their title, loading the title with cryptic abbreviations or words nobody searches by (rare, look, LQQK, unique, etc.) always make me laugh and shake my head.

The "Look" one that bugs me the most is "L@@K", cos to me that says LATATK, not "Look", but people like to make themselves appear to be numpties, it's best to just leave them be and have them lose a whole boatload of money on something they put "L@@K" on... :P

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Re: Not so “RARE” phones, phony items and other such fakery on eBay
« Reply #94 on: March 08, 2014, 08:30:40 AM »
Couldn't figure out which of several topics this "Vintage Rotary Wooden Telephone w/ Ringer Box" would be the best place to post this so it's here.

Seller says it's Vintage Wooden Telephone w/ Antique Ringer Box and bells, I picked this rotary phone up at an Estate Sale. It needs repair of the wall cord. I have had it plugged in and it rang, but the static is very bad due to the damage of the plug. It is beautiful craftsmanship and worth repairing for someone who has the perfect place for this phone. It would be great in a cabin or in your home. We have enjoyed it for years as a work of art, but it can be repaired and used as a land line if you wish. I have included pictures of inside the box. You can see that someone updated the wiring. The crank is for looks only.


BIN for only $78.99 with Free Shipping, if anyone is interested.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/351019171899

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Re: Not so “RARE” phones, phony items and other such fakery on eBay
« Reply #95 on: March 08, 2014, 10:18:20 AM »
Kellogg box, AE ringer,Norweigen handset, Belgium cradle,WE dial mount -a good one, TAP dial
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Re: Not so “RARE” phones, phony items and other such fakery on eBay
« Reply #96 on: March 17, 2014, 01:14:59 AM »
The "Look" one that bugs me the most is "L@@K", cos to me that says LATATK, not "Look", but people like to make themselves appear to be numpties, it's best to just leave them be and have them lose a whole boatload of money on something they put "L@@K" on... :P

Hey, twocv . . .   L@@K at this!

An un-restored hard plastic sold for $517 (as in Auction Contest 111) and this restored, matching date 1958 SP pink Mushroom is but $400 BIN plus $15 for shipping.
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Re: Not so “RARE” phones, phony items and other such fakery on eBay
« Reply #97 on: March 17, 2014, 01:31:49 AM »
See? if that sells for $400, then they've lost $117 right there.... ;D

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Re: Not so “RARE” phones, phony items and other such fakery on eBay
« Reply #98 on: March 17, 2014, 03:24:48 PM »
Sold.

Too late everyone.
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« Reply #99 on: November 15, 2018, 05:10:42 PM »
Just spotted another fake candlestick on aBay. Has the usual November 1910 date on the tranmsitter cup amd what appears to be an AE dial. Comes with a 500 clone in a wood box as a subset.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/273562014345
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Re: Not so “RARE” phones, phony items and other such fakery on eBay
« Reply #100 on: November 15, 2018, 06:40:58 PM »
That is a Japanese "TAP" dial,all plastic but works well. An AE would be better

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Re: Not so “RARE” phones, phony items and other such fakery on eBay
« Reply #101 on: July 08, 2019, 04:57:18 PM »
Let me also add this:

I have bought and sold some phones of questionable origin here is one example in photos

This phone was purchased on ebay and listed as an Automatic Electric. It came out of the midwest. I got it cheap enough and when I got it, I did find 100% AE parts inside circa 1970s. Interestingly enough, I have now seen other wooden box phones from the same era with AE parts  and very similar design. Another such phone sold on ebay a few months ago witha a very similar design from a completely different region of the USA.

I did make this into a frankenstein phone however as the gongs on front were only decorative. It got an Ericsson ringer installed and new brass Ericsson Gongs that really rang on the front . Having one of the small ringers inside the wooden box was like putting the ringer under a pillow.  Gongs ringing on the front of phone made it more authentic and classy. It only required one hole for the clapper to come out.

Aside from the fact that there were no brass screws in it, Of course the brass screws may have required replacement with longer/fatter screws after many years . I almost believe this really was a 'real" AE and in fact even yesterday saw an odder AE desk set in a page here  in this forum. 

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http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=22657.0

As I recall it was newer shell with older parts. It really makes me wonder if there was a move to get rid of all older AE parts at some point , when they started actually selling phones.

So my point is that we do not always know about the origin of something, and maybe even some of these were assembled by small independent telecos The "Mollalla Rural Telephone Company" in Oregon seemed to always have odd stuff installed as I recall, some SC, some AE , some WE, some ITT and some I could never identify. I even remember a telco installed Trimline type phone that was a mix of ITT and SC in Mollalla.

In my case of the wooden phone a buyer from Guadalajara was willing to pay a few hundred dollars saying it was "exactly what he was looking for".  I would again gamble on any wooden box phone like this as it was a huge margin and fast turn-around.

Also this guy in Argentina has a big business . He started by putting old phone parts into new wooden boxes and he has sold a lot of them all over the world.
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-756984663-telefono-antiguo-de-pared-replica-_JM?quantity=1&variation=33236683194

So maybe a "purist" "collector" may not be interested in a wooden box AE phone that I could not prove was an AE box, but at the same time many buyers are interested. I never lied about the phone, I was told both that it was,  and that it was not all AE original as I received it, depending on who I asked.

I agree that I do not like replicas being sold off as authentic and always see this on ebay as well as lies on other products as well. There is one guy on mercadolibre mexico listing a Modular WE 500 as "Bakelite".
 
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Re: Not so “RARE” phones, phony items and other such fakery on eBay
« Reply #102 on: July 09, 2019, 09:18:01 AM »
What caught my eye on this one is the recessed dial mount. That makes it unique, as compared to others I have seen. The live gongs are a very nice touch, as well!
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« Reply #103 on: March 04, 2020, 07:02:17 AM »
Just came across another repro stick on eBay. Looks like the seller has no idea.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Candlestick-Phone-Brass-American-Bell-Telephone-Patented-1910-READ-DESCRIPTION/283804057111
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Re: Not so “RARE” phones, phony items and other such fakery on eBay
« Reply #104 on: December 06, 2020, 04:20:42 AM »
Another 1910 stick. Bidding currently at just over $152.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ESTATE-FRESH-Old-Antique-WESTERN-ELECTRIC-COMPANY-Brass-CANDLE-STICK-TELEPHONE/154217714555

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