AE model 1A missing ring box. How to make it work for dial out?

[notoiphones]

Still new at this.
Found a shell of an AE 1A desk telephone with the cradle and switch. It was all totally disassembled in a box. Did find a type 38 handset and base to go with it. Unfortunately, no ringer box & no induction coil.

Currently it is wired as per wiring diagram except the locations of L1 and L2 (which I think I figured out w/o ring box). In the configuration you see below, all I can do is talk on it ... no dial tone, no receiving, ..... nothing else. But my test telephone does receive from it. Am also quite sure I may have it wired incorrectly.

My question is: how can this be wired to make outgoing calls and not use a ringer box?
Just want to have this on my desk for occasional use. I have another shell without the dial which I can use in the shop as an intercom maybe.
Any assistance would be appreciated.

[G-Man]

The attached jpeg may provide you with further insight regarding your set.

[notoiphones]

G-Man thank you for your very informative reply.
It appears that induction coil is too large and normally goes into the ringer box w/bell.
Since I am not looking for it to ring, I think there is an induction coil out there just to enhance the receiver and make it functional.
I have looked for the Induction coil receiver for a couple of months and no one knows what I'm talking about. I'll keep searching. Seems that someone somewhere has a wiring diagram that eliminates the ringer box.

[countryman]

Receivers with a built-in anti-sidetone induction coil may be out there but they are rare. They will also need a specific wiring and a third conductor attached to them.
dsk has published a diagram that uses a standard induction coil to build a small subset:
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=16538.msg171098#msg171098

In the TCI library there is a diagram showing your model wired to a 302 base as a subset:
https://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/browse/document-repository/wiring-diagrams-technical-library/automatic-electric-1/1834-ae-1a-monophone-desk-set-1a5leafsw-tl/file

This may be also possible using a more modern base.

[G-Man]

It first needs to be established which model you have; is it a 1-A or 11-A instrument?
The 1-A set was equipped with a conventional handset and utilized an external subset containing an anti-sidetone induction coil and ringer, while an 11-A was equipped with a handset with a built-in induction coil and used only a standalone ringer box.

Space limitations would make it difficult to find an induction coil that would be small enough to mount in the base, however, if you are able to squeeze a modern AECo min-network into the base, it can easily be used for the transmission network.

I have included a generic wiring diagram for converting antique or decorator sets using a readily available AECo WA-1194-A mini-network. It would be easy to adapt it to your set.

Also, I will try to find my stash of brass covers for 1-A sets to replace your missing switchook plate.

[notoiphones]

Receivers with a built-in anti-sidetone induction coil may be out there but they are rare. They will also need a specific wiring and a third conductor attached to them.
dsk has published a diagram that uses a standard induction coil to build a small subset:
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=16538.msg171098#msg171098

In the TCI library there is a diagram showing your model wired to a 302 base as a subset:
https://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/browse/document-repository/wiring-diagrams-technical-library/automatic-electric-1/1834-ae-1a-monophone-desk-set-1a5leafsw-tl/file

This may be also possible using a more modern base.

Thank you Countryman. I will have a closer look at your options. Still trying to do away with the subset altogether if possible; or have something very tiny as a replacement. I have found a couple of 302 bases.

It first needs to be established which model you have; is it a 1-A or 11-A instrument?
The 1-A set was equipped with a conventional handset and utilized an external subset containing an anti-sidetone induction coil and ringer, while an 11-A was equipped with a handset with a built-in induction coil and used only a standalone ringer box.

Space limitations would make it difficult to find an induction coil that would be small enough to mount in the base, however, if you are able to squeeze a modern AECo min-network into the base, it can easily be used for the transmission network.

I have included a generic wiring diagram for converting antique or decorator sets using a readily available AECo WA-1194-A mini-network. It would be easy to adapt it to your set.

Also, I will try to find my stash of brass covers for 1-A sets to replace your missing switchook plate.

G-man.
I am pretty sure it is a 1-A.
I have searched the internet this AM and have yet to discover an AECo WA-1194-A mini-network listed for sale. I'd hate to purchase a telephone for the mini-network and end up with the wrong one! Also missing one hold-down bracket for one end of the switch but I can likely make something to work. Cover plate would be nice.
Someone else locally suggested using an induction coil from an old AE lineman's test set, but I wouldn't know what exactly to look for.
I am not yet discouraged.
Thanks

[notoiphones]

Just arrived AE lineman's test set. All metal and it contains some much smaller parts.
It appears possible to fit some of these components in the 1A shell.
Gray coil 3¼"x.½"x 3/8" - D281733A
Black plastic (gold wires) coil 2½"x1 1/8"x½" - D-281559
Gold coil, waxed (probably coil) 3"x½"x 1/8x" - no markings

Thanks

[TelePlay]

The choice here is to either make a frankenphone with parts canabalized from a rare butt set for your own use (no real resale value of either) or restore your somewhat rare desk set to its original configuration as assembled by the manufacturer when first built, and maintaining resale value.

[G-Man]

parts canabalized from a rare butt set

A valid but probably moot point since it appears that the condenser has since been disassembled and probably no longer functioning properly.

While the "INDUCTION COIL" (actually an current limiting inductor-v.f. choke) could be used as intended in a series circuit, even though it would not be capable of providing anti-sidetone service.

[MMikeJBenN27]

The only alternative to a subset is a mini network.  Use a subset.  Your phone was designed for use with one.

Mike

[notoiphones]

OK. I see where this is going.

First of all, please understand that I am not an electronics expert.... I can read and interpret simple wiring diagrams and solder & test most components on a PC board.

There is no intention of selling this telephone. It looks cool and I wish to try to make it function without a subset.

I opened the test set and removed one layer of tape from the "condenser" to see if there were any values printed on it. Its a simple matter to stick the partially-removed tape back into position. There were no wires cut to disassemble this set and it will go back together easily. No components have been "canabalized". So.... nothing destroyed in this process. Besides, the set did not function in the first place.

What remains for me now is to find a "mini-network" to make a "Frankenphone" to suit MY needs.

Where, exactly, do I find the mini-networks as suggested by G-Man and MMikeJBenN27. (like a particular telephone or who can provide this network card).
Might be best to get AECo WA-1194-A mini-network, but I can't find anyone selling such items.
I value all of your suggestions
Help me out here. Thanks

[TelePlay]

Here are 3 sources, probably others if you search.



https://oldphoneworks.com/products/network-mini?_pos=1&_sid=5786333f1&_ss=r

https://www.ericofon.com/catalog/parts/networks.htm

https://www.oldphoneshop.com/search.php?search_query=Mini+network+


Someone else can suggest the best for your phone. Should turn out well.

[countryman]

Guess you could as well put the mini network in a box outside the phone and connect it with a (correct or improvised) cord.

[G-Man]

Where, exactly, do I find the mini-networks

I would have suggested that you first post a wanted ad on the Classic Rotary Phone forum. If one is available, it may even cost less and possibly benefit a fellow collector who has surplus inventory. That is one of the benefits of being a member of a telephone collecting group such as this.

Additional sources that you may want to check include Steve Hilsz, Cliff Sullivan or possibly Ray Kotke. It may also behoove you to pickup a copy of Steve Hilsz's book, "Painless Telephone Wiring." It includes diagrams on how to wire antique and decorator telephones, and includes info on the three versions of AECo's mini-networks.

[stub]

Hey Guys,
        What about this R C cheater subset , would this work on his phone ?  click on pic to enlarge .
stub