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Got my 1st SC stick today. need help gettin into it
« on: February 01, 2021, 08:43:35 PM »
Latest purchase a SC candle with sub box. 1156 yb I think
Don't know anything about SC sticks.
need help gettin the bottom off. :(
There are 2 springs mounted to the plate with hooks at the end, and they lock into the base part.
I can't figure out how to remove it. ???
It needs a lot of tlc, and the xmitter will need to be re nickled, but I like restoring these things.
The dial is smaller than most I have seen.
Any info would be absorbed gratefully.

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Re: Got my 1st SC stick today. need help gettin into it
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2021, 08:52:41 PM »
Rod ...the dial is a North and SC used North dials on their early. That is a really nice find.....Doug
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Re: Got my 1st SC stick today. need help gettin into it
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2021, 08:55:31 PM »
A full view photo of the phone would be nice to see.
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Re: Got my 1st SC stick today. need help gettin into it
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2021, 11:27:46 PM »
Thanks Doug.
Will be a nice project.
I will post some pics tomorrow.

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Re: Got my 1st SC stick today. need help gettin into it
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2021, 11:56:59 PM »
The base plate should twist off.
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Re: Got my 1st SC stick today. need help gettin into it
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2021, 07:28:03 AM »
Ok, a couple pics of the phone.
It has a nut on it when turned, loosens/ tightens ball to hold the transmitter in position.
gonna try the twist thing tonite.
Thanks poplar1!
Gonna need another spit cup, as this one has a chunk broken out of it.

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Re: Got my 1st SC stick today. need help gettin into it
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2021, 07:41:43 AM »
What a great addition. Like it!

Until you source another, you should be able to tidy up the damage to the mouthpiece.
Clean up the Bakelite and then look through one of the restoration threads on here to see which method you prefer.

Here is one of my repairs, just as an example of the product ‘Milliput’.
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=20874

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Re: Got my 1st SC stick today. need help gettin into it
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2021, 08:32:52 AM »
got the dial out, apart, mostly, and cleaned.
seems to work ok after a bit of oil...
big difference in looks already!

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Re: Got my 1st SC stick today. need help gettin into it
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2021, 05:54:08 PM »
Update.
The North dial could not be saved. Major bummer!!!! :( :( :(
That is what caught my eye when I first saw it!
I found this AE 60-c Dial, and it lines up with the mounting holes.
So...new plan.
Since I can't find another North Dial, It will be an AE 60-c. For now anyway.
Can anybody tell me what politically correct Dials were used by SC on these phones?

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Re: Got my 1st SC stick today. need help gettin into it
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2021, 07:01:11 PM »
Rod....did you try Steve Hilsz, he is the Dial King of Az. ...Doug
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Re: Got my 1st SC stick today. need help gettin into it
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2021, 07:28:07 PM »
Update.
The North dial could not be saved. Major bummer!!!! :( :( :(
That is what caught my eye when I first saw it!
I found this AE 60-c Dial, and it lines up with the mounting holes.
So...new plan.
Since I can't find another North Dial, It will be an AE 60-c. For now anyway.
Can anybody tell me what politically correct Dials were used by SC on these phones?

What's wrong with the dial? Perhaps it can be fixed - there are a lot of broken North dials around to use for parts.

They used mostly North and AE. 60-C is not a dial type so I don't know which AE dial you have.

Here is some catalogue information (first image). There are two AE dials listed - both seem to be Type 24 but with different ON contact configurations.

Earlier on, they also used Mercedes dials and Type 23 dials (second image). I have also included some earlier catalogue information showing these earlier dials (third and fourth images).

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Mostly North and AE dials but as you can see from the images, also WE (No 2), Kellogg (No 1) and NE (No 1 - N Type).

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Re: Got my 1st SC stick today. need help gettin into it
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2021, 09:03:43 PM »
Doug,
Steve declared it dead on the table :(
He warned me before I sent it, we were both hopeful.
The problem lies with the ratchet gear, and is intermittent.
So, I guess it is the main shaft/ratchet assy relationship, that is worn out. :( :(
That is pretty much the whole dial.
If someone has one with a ticket I can live with, I would consider that too. ;)

Jack
Thank you.
As stated, my dial is kaput.
The AE I have, has a PB2, and the 60-c painted on in red.
Thats all I can find other than the AE inside the diamond raised logo stuff.
It "seems", watch my wording, to be a common switch config.
I have seen this config, on various dials.
5 Blades. 2 for pulse, "often jumped to inner blade of 3 blade progressive stack".
Stack lies open at rest, and outer blade descends onto mid blade, in off rest position,
and mid blade surrendering to the weight of the outer blade, descends down to blade 3
The short the receiver first then connect the transmitter thing, ??? is that right?
Anyway, I believe I could use diagram 2, or 4, with this dial.
I will look into the, 6 is it? options you gave me.
I no nothing about any of those yet.
And I have been trying to get a handle on dials for a while now!
What is the 411 on these MERCEDES dials???
These are all new assignments to look into.
Thank you again.
got another wrinkle or two today ;D

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Re: Got my 1st SC stick today. need help gettin into it
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2021, 12:34:19 AM »
Jack
The AE I have, has a PB2, and the 60-c painted on in red.

The printed stuff is mostly manufacturing or refurbishment dates. AE doesn't put IDs on dials.

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Thats all I can find other than the AE inside the diamond raised logo stuff.

So it's not a Type 24 then. The logo changed at the time the 24A36 was released so it is that or later.


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It "seems", watch my wording, to be a common switch config.
I have seen this config, on various dials.
5 Blades. 2 for pulse, "often jumped to inner blade of 3 blade progressive stack".
Stack lies open at rest, and outer blade descends onto mid blade, in off rest position,
and mid blade surrendering to the weight of the outer blade, descends down to blade 3
The short the receiver first then connect the transmitter thing, ??? is that right?
Anyway, I believe I could use diagram 2, or 4, with this dial.
I will look into the, 6 is it? options you gave me.

Sorry, overload - I need a picture of the rear of your dial.

The left hand end of the first set of diagrams shows the common AE dial as used on most AE telephones. I have attached a Phillips (Canadian) example.


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I no nothing about any of those yet.
And I have been trying to get a handle on dials for a while now!

Of the dials shown in the diagrams:
  • the WE No 2 is easy to get but a bit expensive
  • the North dial is getting hard to find and some are broken (?!)
  • the Northern (N) dial is very hard to get and very expensive
  • the AE Mercedes dial is getting hard to get and the price is rising
  • the Kellogg dial is at least as hard to get as the Mercedes dial and at least as expensive

So, realistically, you are looking for an AE Type 24, 24A36, 51 or 51A - they are easier to find and cheaper as the type number increases.

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What is the 411 on these MERCEDES dials???

That is an American expression which, I believe, is asking for information.

What particular information are you looking for?

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Jack

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Re: Got my 1st SC stick today. need help gettin into it
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2021, 06:21:50 AM »
Jack
Here you go.
The information on Mercedes dials I seek, is general

1. Size compared to an AE dial...
2. Were they designed anything like the North, or something similar?
3. Long Lasting, or easily worn out?

Starting from nothing, any info will help me understand.
My AE dial configuration, is exactly like yours.
except that the switches are mounted on risers, not flat on a removable plate.
If I can't find a 24, or 51 type, I will use this one.
Unless, this IS a 24, or 51 type???
That would be nice!, actually having the right part to work with.

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Re: Got my 1st SC stick today. need help gettin into it
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2021, 08:46:27 AM »
1. Size compared to an AE dial...

Type 24 and later dials have a diameter of 3" - the standard US dial size. The Mercedes dial and the Type 23 dial are smaller, about 2 3/4".

In addition, they are constructed differently. The 24 and later all look similar to your dial. The Mercedes and Type 23 don't have the cylindrical case and mount differently.

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2. Were they designed anything like the North, or something similar?

AE invented the dial and subsequent dials, from AE and everyone else, were based on AE's patents. Having said that, there are a lot of mechanical differences between AE's dials and North's dials.

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3. Long Lasting, or easily worn out?

The Mercedes dial was only the second generation of small dial (after the large 11 digit dials) and because of that, they were less refined than later dials. Mercedes dials, particularly the first generation of Mercedes dials, were hard to adjust and did wear. There were three generations of Mercedes dials, what I call the Type 11 (unofficial), the Type 18 (unofficial) and the Type 23. The Type 23 was the best of them but it didn't have the "Mercedes" retainer.

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My AE dial configuration, is exactly like yours.
except that the switches are mounted on risers, not flat on a removable plate.
If I can't find a 24, or 51 type, I will use this one.
Unless, this IS a 24, or 51 type???

You almost got a picture of the contacts - I can't quite see if they are bifurcated (have split ends). I think they do so your dial is a Type 51A. It was the first dial used on the AE 80.

Pictures of Type 18 Mercedes.

Regards
Jack