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Offline jm19063

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Is any of this real?
« on: January 19, 2022, 09:59:23 AM »
Hi all,

I purchased this phone from ebay.  Now I'm questioning if any of it is real.  Hoping you guys can help identify.  I thought it was a 20S, identified by the back of the neck.  But I have a few questions on it:

 - I thought the 20S was the same as the 20B, but that the S was always black.  I see traces of chrome on the transmitter plate?
 - The mouthpiece looks like it may have been held on with glue.  I was able to remove it, but it's loose when I screw it back in. (that can easily be replaced).
- The transmitter cup has no stamping.  I would think this would have patent dates, no?
- The receiver is a Kellog.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but WE phones never came with Kellog receivers, correct?
- the "neck" seems to me to have a weird shape.  Not sure if that's real.  I always thought they "flowed" rather than having that "step"

Any help you can provide would be appreciated.  I don't mind replacing some parts, like the mouthpiece and receiver, if the phone is real.  I just don't want to spend good money chasing bad if the phone is a fake.

Thank you!

John Martin

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Re: Is any of this real?
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2022, 12:31:06 PM »
Hi all,

I purchased this phone from ebay.  Now I'm questioning if any of it is real.  Hoping you guys can help identify.  I thought it was a 20S, identified by the back of the neck.  But I have a few questions on it:

 - I thought the 20S was the same as the 20B, but that the S was always black.  I see traces of chrome on the transmitter plate?
 - The mouthpiece looks like it may have been held on with glue.  I was able to remove it, but it's loose when I screw it back in. (that can easily be replaced).
- The transmitter cup has no stamping.  I would think this would have patent dates, no?
- The receiver is a Kellog.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but WE phones never came with Kellog receivers, correct?
- the "neck" seems to me to have a weird shape.  Not sure if that's real.  I always thought they "flowed" rather than having that "step"

Any help you can provide would be appreciated.  I don't mind replacing some parts, like the mouthpiece and receiver, if the phone is real.  I just don't want to spend good money chasing bad if the phone is a fake.

Thank you!

John Martin
What does the base look like inside with the bottom cover taken off?  It is definitely "REAL"; I wouldn't worry about that, including the trans cup. The fact that it doesn't have any markings on the cup my mean that it was made for in independent Telco. Also, you would never see "Chrome", but instead nickel plating which wears off easily over time or with too much polishing.
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Offline jm19063

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Re: Is any of this real?
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2022, 01:34:00 PM »
Thanks, Ray!

The nickel throws me off.  Were there 20S units that were nickel?  I thought the 20B's were nickel and the 20S's were all black.

Attached are the insides.  Again, thanks for your help!

-j

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Re: Is any of this real?
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2022, 02:06:36 PM »
Also, what would be the appropriate receiver for this phone?

Thanks,
-j

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Re: Is any of this real?
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2022, 03:42:14 PM »
Your phone is all old and original. The green cords are a good indicator of originality.  Nickel has worn off showing brass underneath.

Proper receiver would be an exposed terminal type 122 "Pony " receiver... Western Electric

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Re: Is any of this real?
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2022, 04:36:26 PM »
Thanks, Ray!

The nickel throws me off.  Were there 20S units that were nickel?  I thought the 20B's were nickel and the 20S's were all black.

Attached are the insides.  Again, thanks for your help!

-j
I'm sure, like the Western Electric #10 candlestick, they could be had in either nickel plate or plain black.
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Re: Is any of this real?
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2022, 10:10:50 PM »
Thank you all for your help!